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    mormonheretic
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    I just wrote a post about a documentary on interpretations of “Gay” scriptures. I’m curious what others think about it? See http://www.mormonheretic.org/2012/12/26/re-evaluating-gay-scriptures/

    #163979
    dash1730
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    I really liked the article for a number of reasons. The article addresses a very current topic, but its discussion can be applied to many different issues of concern for folks trying to StayLDS.

    I love the dialogue from West Wing with its example Bible dogmatism gone amuck.

    Quote:

    [Sheen says] “I like your show. I like how you call homosexuality an abomination.”

    [woman responds] “I don’t say homosexuality is an abomination Mr. President. The Bible does.”

    [Sheen] Yes, it does. Leviticus.”

    [woman] “18:22″

    [Sheen] “Chapter and verse. I wanted to ask you a couple of questions while I had you here. I’m interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She’s a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, always cleared the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be?

    While thinking about that, can I ask another? My chief of staff insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or is it ok to call the police?”

    Desmond Tutu was quoted as saying,

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    “We have very perversely used difference to justify cruelty of the most vicious sort. I equate homophobia to the injustice of apartheid and that’s so contrary to the heart of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”

    While we consider the sinfulness (or not) of homosexuality, we must be careful of the far greater sin of homophobia.

    I am so glad the Church is backing away from its position that homosexuality in orientation is sinful and should be treated. IMO its new web site ( http://www.mormonsandgays.org/ ) is a positive step forward to building bridges rather than walls.

    #163980
    DBMormon
    Participant

    dash1730 wrote:

    I really liked the article for a number of reasons. The article addresses a very current topic, but its discussion can be applied to many different issues of concern for folks trying to StayLDS.

    I love the dialogue from West Wing with its example Bible dogmatism gone amuck.

    Quote:

    [Sheen says] “I like your show. I like how you call homosexuality an abomination.”

    [woman responds] “I don’t say homosexuality is an abomination Mr. President. The Bible does.”

    [Sheen] Yes, it does. Leviticus.”

    [woman] “18:22″

    [Sheen] “Chapter and verse. I wanted to ask you a couple of questions while I had you here. I’m interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She’s a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, always cleared the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be?

    While thinking about that, can I ask another? My chief of staff insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or is it ok to call the police?”

    Desmond Tutu was quoted as saying,

    Quote:

    “We have very perversely used difference to justify cruelty of the most vicious sort. I equate homophobia to the injustice of apartheid and that’s so contrary to the heart of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”

    While we consider the sinfulness (or not) of homosexuality, we must be careful of the far greater sin of homophobia.

    I am so glad the Church is backing away from its position that homosexuality in orientation is sinful and should be treated. IMO its new web site ( http://www.mormonsandgays.org/ ) is a positive step forward to building bridges rather than walls.

    Loved the dialogue from west wing and loved the response…. Awesome

    #163981
    johnh
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    That made me laugh out loud

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    #163982
    mackay11
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    DBMormon wrote:


    Loved the dialogue from west wing and loved the response…. Awesome

    Just don’t quote it over on MDDB ;)

    #163983
    DBMormon
    Participant

    already did and I got kicked out from that thread…. ahhhhh too bad.

    #163984
    johnh
    Participant

    Mddb?

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    #163985
    mackay11
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    johnh wrote:

    Mddb?

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    http://www.mormondialogue.org (Mormon Dialogue Discussion Board). It used to be the apologetics’ board and expanded.

    Some people on here aren’t fond of it. I appreciate it as another place to ‘explore my faith.’ There are some very aggressive, defensive posters, but also some balanced considered ones.

    #163986
    mackay11
    Participant

    DBMormon wrote:

    already did and I got kicked out from that thread…. ahhhhh too bad.

    I know, the post that got you kicked out was bang on and well worth taking the fall over. The conversation continues (can you even read a thread you’ve been blocked from?)

    #163987
    wayfarer
    Participant

    mackay11 wrote:

    DBMormon wrote:

    already did and I got kicked out from that thread…. ahhhhh too bad.

    I know, the post that got you kicked out was bang on and well worth taking the fall over. The conversation continues (can you even read a thread you’ve been blocked from?)


    nope. Once you are banned from a thread, you cannot even read it. They often remove all your posts from the thread as well. And, as it turns out, the rules for getting kicked out are…purely by the discretion of the ‘leaders’ of the site.

    I know you like the site, but I find it maddening. literally. One has to stoop to the insanity in order to participate, and that is very time consuming and wasteful.

    #163988
    DBMormon
    Participant

    What did I get kicked out for??? does it say?

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