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    hawkgrrrl
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    This has turned into a somewhat interesting discussion on W&T: https://wheatandtares.org/2018/04/24/hiding-history/

    The post gives some information from the Leonard Arrington biography about how secretive / restricted the church archives were under predecessor Joseph Fielding Smith. Elder Widstoe advised Arrington how to gain access to the archives like a camel entering a tent (rather than just asking openly for what he really needed). Interestingly, Arrington’s celebrated history book was labeled as “anti-Mormon” by the Church History Library! In a surprise twist, Arrington himself hid family secrets from his children, unwilling to talk about them into their adulthood. Older generations, particularly the Silent Generation, considered in-group or family loyalty a higher virtue than openness or transparency, and that’s part of the issue we are now dealing with in the church.

    Anyway, read over it and see what grabs you.

    #229745
    LDS_Scoutmaster
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    I only learned of Arrington during my faith transition, but I was amazed that he in the position that he was in did so well. It’s a credit to him as an individual and we can reap the benefits. I wish I had read Brodie on my mission, I think I had access to her book at one point, but I had gotten my hands slapped by the Mission President after reading The God Makers.

    Great read.

    #229746
    DarkJedi
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    Whaddyamean “hidden”? It was right there in front of your noses all along. [sarcasm]

    #229747
    LookingHard
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    Nobody makes posts that gather more comments than HawkGrrrl!

    #229748
    dande48
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    Good post, Hawkgirl!

    #229749
    nibbler
    Keymaster

    People in the silent generation were young adults during McCarthy era. It wasn’t safe to hold certain opinions, so certain opinions were kept to oneself. Dissenting from majority opinion was treasonous.

    So…

    I hope this isn’t off topic, but setting aside history and examining present day. Are we currently experiencing or have we recently experienced a McCarthy era in the church? Is it safe to hold certain opinions? Do people feel pressure to keep certain opinions to themselves? Is dissenting from majority opinion deemed treasonous?

    In the days of social media and having access to people all around the globe we’re no longer as bound by geography and immediate environment to find a group that will be accepting. It’s also far easier to step outside of a social community these days. There are other ways that people are having their social needs met.

    What I wonder is whether the youth that could break Mormonism’s silent generations are hanging around the culture long enough to do so, or whether the path of least resistance is to jump ship and seek out more accepting social outlets; leaving behind the youth that are more inclined to perpetuate Mormonism’s silent generations in the process.

    In other words, there’s the macro silent generation that is eroding with time and there’s the micro silent generation found within Mormonism. Mormon culture tends to lag behind world culture by a generation or two, so maybe it will catch up, where youth are more of a product of the macro culture instead of the product of relatively shielded micro culture. Maybe that process is accelerated since technology erases what were once more defined borders.

    #229750
    SamBee
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    Maybe that’s why it’s called the Silent Generation. They’ve seen a lot, and they don’t care to talk about it, particularly avoiding emotionally charged topics.

    And now we have the “look at me” generation which doesn’t shut up sometimes when it should!

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    Brigham Young and his appointed lay leaders were outstanding colonizers, and there can be no doubt that they were dedicated to the Kingdom, but the more the specialists depended on them for leadership, the more the specialized industries were apt to suffer from inexpert direction.

    This jumps out at me. Still relevant.

    Very well-written by the way but I noticed the jab at you for using a pseudonym!

    #229751
    SamBee
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    LDS_Scoutmaster wrote:


    I only learned of Arrington during my faith transition, but I was amazed that he in the position that he was in did so well. It’s a credit to him as an individual and we can reap the benefits. I wish I had read Brodie on my mission, I think I had access to her book at one point, but I had gotten my hands slapped by the Mission President after reading The God Makers.

    Great read.

    Brodie vs Dekker is no contest. Brodie was trying for some kind of honesty whereas Godmakers is full of downright lies.

    #229752
    SamBee
    Participant

    On one last note… is the church any worse than national governments? Schools in China aren’t even allowed to talk about the Tianamen Square massacre and in Russia, you can’t complain about Stalin these days. Meanwhile western governments hold onto info for decades… some unlike the USA never release the information. Places like Latin America have a dark history within living memory.

    Even the Roman Catholics and Orthodox churches have history that make the LDS’ controversies look tame.

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