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Joni wrote:
Thanks Donald Hallstrom, I was already going to be a nervous wreck when my husband and son go on High Adventure. Now I won’t be able to sleep a wink.😯 (Also, I thought he was going to say “the first people who reached him were LDS, and they gave him a blessing!” But no, he’s giving credit to the mountain rangers and EMT’s.
:clap: )This is not a bad talk either – he seems to be contradicting the theodicy that’s been creeping into our doctrine lately.
Interesting. I didn’t like his talk much. But I got hung up on his definition of miracles. Devine intervention is only part of one definition. Likewise I didn’t like his implication of the prosperity gospel.
To be clear, I am STRONGLY “pro-marriage” and “pro-family”. I have worked in areas where following the Proclamation to the World would make massive, positive changes. I support the general principles in it fully, with only a few issues. If I didn’t know there was a solid anti-gay message in Elder Oaks’ talk, I would have had almost no problem with it. The reasons I didn’t like it were the extreme “this will never change” message and what I viewed as blatant condescension and dismissal of people who don’t agree with marriage between one man and one woman – something his own ancestors would have rejected and which never includes “at the same time in mortality”. I think it simply is unintentional ignoranance (being unaware) or willful ignorance (intentionally ignoring) to say marriage teachings won’t change when they have been different among societies (including our own religious heritages) and even changed over time in the same societies (including our own religious societies). He is bright enough and generally aware enough that such “creed quality” statements bother me more than when others say them – and, in his case, I see it as a huge blind spot of unintentional ignorance (simply not being open to consider an alternative and the implications of it).
I also understand the impact on vulnerable people enough to know that hearing, “We will never accept you as you are,” is brutal and soul-shattering.
Ways to overcome include wise counsel from trained professionals and even medication. YES!! It was said explicitly again during General Conference.
Elder Wicks is starting strong. I love his talk only a few minutes into the talk. His story of being a Missionary President is powerful. Oh, how many countless times has that wrecking ball of a leader destroyed the hope of one. Well said Elder Zwick. I hope every bishop, stake president, and mission president heard that. Joni, please listen to the rest of the talk. It is powerful, and that story didn’t end how you probably assumed it would. This talk from Pres. Eyring is much better than the one last night. Service is a great topic for him to address. Old Timer wrote:
Joni, please listen to the rest of the talk. It is powerful, and that story didn’t end how you probably assumed it would.
Yes, this. I almost tuned out at the same time Joni did. Honestly, I only paid attention after that to see how much deeper he’d dig himself, and ended up pleasantly surprised.
Every leader needs to understand the value of listening, and the consequences of not listening. I loved that he compared his previous actions to a wrecking ball.
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