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I like the beginning of Elder Koch’s talk – a lot. I especially love that he mentioned leaving political differences outside the church – and that the most important part is how we talk about each other outside of the church building. As it continues, I love it more and more.
Does anyone have a reference for why Symonds Ryder (probably spelled that wrong, haha) actuallyleft the church? Was it BCC that posted that? I don’t necessarily disagree with this talk. I try not to criticize church members for their appearance or their wayward children or how they do their calling. But I will criticize the institutional church for practices that, to my conscience, feel spiritually abusive or unChristlike.
We can only speculate as to Ryder’s reasons, but there is this: Quote:But when they [Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon] went to Missouri to lay the foundation of the splendid city of Zion, and also of the temple, they left their papers behind. This gave their new converts an opportunity to become acquainted with the internal arrangement of their church, which revealed to them the horrid fact that a plot was laid to take their property from them and place it under the control of Joseph Smith the prophet. This was too much for the Hiramites, and they left the Mormonites faster than they had ever joined them, and by fall the Mormon church in Hiram was a very lean concern.” (Symonds Ryder, “Letter to A. S. Hayden,” February 1, 1868, cited in Hayden, op. cit., pp. 220, 221.)
Man, I’ve been up and down the stairs like six times this session. Fortunately DH is sound asleep so he has no idea. 😆 Okay, I’ve missed a big chunk this weekend. How many talks have been given by women during the general sessions? How many prayers?
ETB: “take marriage seriously” DD14, with perfect deadpan snark: “No, I think marriage is funny.”
Anyway, I told her that when she’s older, make a list of 10 potential husbands and pursue them all until she narrows it down to one.
😆 Those poor boys won’t know what hit them.One thing that helps me tremendously is the ability to respect other people’s opinions and views, as long as they are not directly harmful to others. This talk is a good example. It doesn’t work for me, but I can respect it. It is a wash.
Anti-anti-Mormonism 
= spiritual nourishment.Nice accent though. (I just got done rereading The Secret Garden for the millionth time, so as soon as he started talking about foliage I got all excited.)
Yep, this is my least favorite talk of the entire conference, except Elder Oaks’ talk. Saying we have a command to learn from the best books, then narrowing that to only those written by church leaders and the scriptures, is not something I can support.
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One thing that helps me tremendously is the ability to respect other people’s opinions and views, as long as they are not directly harmful to others.This talk is a good example. It doesn’t work for me, but I can respect it. It is a wash.
Ditto. Going on nearly more than a decade of dating and specifically pursuing people I had considered good potential partners. My own father got married at age 29, but most people, especially most GAs don’t have the experience of dating in the technology age, along with the sheer amount of numbers of people to date. I’ve dated quite a bit. I’m not at a stage nor do I have the mental energy to create a list and systematically whittle it down to one. I think it’s high time for the church to consider how they can foster a welcome and meaningful place for singles, whether they’re single by choice or not.
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