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Recently a guy in the ward told me he wanted to be there for my lesson, but may not be able to because of PPI’s. That he tries to get to the lessons to make sure no false teachings are being spread, but has to balance that with keeping people in line. Resisting the urge to lead a very unorthodox lesson soon. Resisting…resisting… Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Wow, you are resisting an urge that didn’t even come to me. I would have had to resist the urge to ask him why a PPI would take priority over attending his meetings? A PPI can be done anytime, a lesson is taught during priesthood or SS. Being there is being an example to the members, shouldn’t that be more important than the convenience of the PPI? And the other temptation: Really? You are the judge of what is a gospel truth and what isn’t? Perhaps it would be best if you just keep working on those PPI’s. People like that are so irritating. It is such an example of pride it isn’t funny. My husband once taught a PH lesson and the EQP told him he wasn’t allowed to read from the manual. My husband used a few quotes from the manual during his lesson, and an angry EQP confronted him afterward for ignoring the policy. Apparently in our ward you can’t read a quote, you need to memorize it. No wonder people get offended, it’s because people can be so darned offensive.
I’ll step away from the soap box now, you just really touched a nerve. God loves all of His children, and he doesn’t love the leaders more than the followers.
By the way, just for us on these boards, next time this brother makes it to your class, bring up lds.org and read one of the essays. That should be fun, and it is doctrine after all
😆 I knew someone just like that. He was a very good man, but he was so wrapped up in his protector complex that it was hard for many people to see his goodness. Lamaze and duct tape keep the universe together – in this case, Lamaze for you and, theoretically, duct tape for him.
:silent: 😈 Actually PPIs are false doctrine. They were removed from handbooks and manuals several years ago in part to lessen the load on leadership. Not that it’s wrong to do interviews, I’m just saying. Eternity4me wrote:I would have had to resist the urge to ask him why a PPI would take priority over attending his meetings? A PPI can be done anytime, a lesson is taught during priesthood or SS.
startpoor wrote:That he tries to get to the lessons to make sure no false teachings are being spread, but has to balance that with keeping people in line.
:shh: It might be best for this one to continue doing either or as opposed to doing both. Sometimes it’s a good thing that there’s only so much of us to spread around.
startpoor wrote:he tries to get to the lessons to make sure no false teachings are being spread,
haha…That sounds like a challenge!!If I were you…I’d find the most obscure (but true) doctrine and then a totally false but believable doctrine…and see if he can find which one is true or not. Bwahahaha
😈 Throw out something like the Divine Investiture of Authority…see if he can explain that one.
I would totally take him up on that challenge if I were you.
Heber13 wrote:startpoor wrote:he tries to get to the lessons to make sure no false teachings are being spread,
haha…That sounds like a challenge!!If I were you…I’d find the most obscure (but true) doctrine and then a totally false but believable doctrine…and see if he can find which one is true or not. Bwahahaha
😈 Throw out something like the Divine Investiture of Authority…see if he can explain that one.
I would totally take him up on that challenge if I were you.
I was once in this weeklong training where every morning we did this ice breaker game called two truths and a lie. The object was for each of us to say two things we actually did in the past and one thing that was plausible but we didn’t actually do. Others in the room had to figure out which was the lie. It was actually quite fun, and I be tempted to try it with this guy. Of course if he’s off doing something he doesn’t need to be doing (PPIs) then it won’t work because everybody else would likely just buy into the lie. Mormons can be so gullible.
DarkJedi wrote:two truths and a lie.
Perfect!!
:clap: Another tactic I would try…is that if he has established himself as the resident expert on all things doctrine…call on him often to let him pump his chest.
Quote:Since Brother So-and-So is here to ensure we’re teaching correct doctrine, let’s have him explain this bit in Isaiah.
Call him out on it publicly…often…if that is really what is he saying to you.
He may start scheduling more PPI’s during your class.
If he is often doing PPI’s, the CHI states that for Elders and High Priests, “Where possible, they visit or interview quorum or group members at least once a year.” https://www.lds.org/handbook/handbook-2-administering-the-church/melchizedek-priesthood?lang=eng#7.3.2 ” class=”bbcode_url”> https://www.lds.org/handbook/handbook-2-administering-the-church/melchizedek-priesthood?lang=eng#7.3.2 LookingHard wrote:If he is often doing PPI’s, the CHI states that for Elders and High Priests, “Where possible, they visit or interview quorum or group members at least once a year.”
https://www.lds.org/handbook/handbook-2-administering-the-church/melchizedek-priesthood?lang=eng#7.3.2 ” class=”bbcode_url”> https://www.lds.org/handbook/handbook-2-administering-the-church/melchizedek-priesthood?lang=eng#7.3.2 Because no one was doing them anyway. So… when does HT and VT move to once a quarter?
😈 nibbler wrote:LookingHard wrote:If he is often doing PPI’s, the CHI states that for Elders and High Priests, “Where possible, they visit or interview quorum or group members at least once a year.”
https://www.lds.org/handbook/handbook-2-administering-the-church/melchizedek-priesthood?lang=eng#7.3.2 ” class=”bbcode_url”> https://www.lds.org/handbook/handbook-2-administering-the-church/melchizedek-priesthood?lang=eng#7.3.2 Because no one was doing them anyway. So… when does HT and VT move to once a quarter?
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umm. I give. Tell me why?Why? You lost me. We may have lost each other. Back in the day I always heard PPIs were to be done much more often than once per year. The official policy may have been once per year all along but I’ve always known it to be more than once per year. Of course this was back in the day were both the books we are judged by were
:shh: :shh: so if the EQP tells his counselors to do PPIs once per week you do them once per week.To make a bad joke even worse by having to explain it…
I assumed that this policy to do PPIs once per year represented a new, less burdensome change to an existing policy. I also jokingly stated the reason was probably because no one was doing monthly PPIs anyway.
I extended this to the HT and VT programs. Visit your families once per month. No one does it. Someone finally bites the bullet and decides to make HT/VT once per quarter as opposed to once per month to make the expectation match the reality a little better.
Bad joke, I guess it didn’t fly because the assumption that the PPI policy was something other than what it is today was a bad one. Phew. Lots of words for such little initial effort.
Lol, I love this group. Old-Timer wrote:I knew someone just like that. He was a very good man, but he was so wrapped up in his protector complex that it was hard for many people to see his goodness.
I have often been pleasantly surprised by most people I strongly disagree with. The dull, seemingly unintelligent EQ teacher who turns out to be a brilliant doctor, the hardline iron rodder who admits to occasionally praying to heavenly mother, the perfect TBM who admits to the quorum of having a porn addiction and going to weekly meetings. Doesn’t always go that way but it’s neat when it does. This individual does happen to be a good guy, so I was surprised to hear him talk like he was the ward policeman. Chalk it up to overzealousness I guess.
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Interestingly there is a older gentleman in my home ward who reminds me of this. He’s very good at making sure meetings don’t go over for one thing. Sits on the front rows and gives hand signals to all the speakers and everything. Many people in the ward who don’t know him don’t really like him because of how strictly he follows many rules, but that man has one of the more generous, loving hearts I have ever seen. Don’t judge someone until you get to know them, I suppose is it how goes. 
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