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Just happened: How do you think the church will respond?
At the highest organizational level: I actually expect there to be a FP letter asking members to be civil and accepting, similar to what Oaks said during the most recent conference. I also expect a few members will ignore that advice completely. Hey, it happens. At the local level: Depends on where you live. Based on past experience with my area I’m sure I’m going to be hearing a lot about this ruling, not in the most positive of lights.
In regards to the article of faith on obeying the laws of the land how will the church respond? For those churches like the lds who will oppose this, this may calm them down:
from Justice Kennedy in the ruling:
Quote:“Finally, it must be emphasized that religions, and those who adhere to religious doctrines, may continue to advo- cate with utmost, sincere conviction that, by divine pre- cepts, same-sex marriage should not be condoned. The First Amendment ensures that religious organizations and persons are given proper protection as they seek to teach the principles that are so fulfilling and so central to their lives and faiths, and to their own deep aspirations to continue the family structure they have long revered. The same is true of those who oppose same-sex marriage for other reasons. In turn, those who believe allowing same- sex marriage is proper or indeed essential, whether as a matter of religious conviction or secular belief, may engage those who disagree with their view in an open and search- ing debate. The Constitution, however, does not permit the State to bar same-sex couples from marriage on the same terms as accorded to couples of the opposite sex.”
I work with so many LGBT people in decades long relationships who would like to be married. I cannot help but be pleased for them. nibbler wrote:At the highest organizational level: I actually expect there to be a FP letter asking members to be civil and accepting, similar to what Oaks said during the most recent conference. I also expect a few members will ignore that advice completely. Hey, it happens.
At the local level: Depends on where you live. Based on past experience with my area I’m sure I’m going to be hearing a lot about this ruling, not in the most positive of lights.
I totally agree. The Q15 already gave up this fight, as indicated by Elder Oaks (although I think it was last October, not April). And at a local level I will likely experience the same as you and if occasion permits I will attempt to remind people of what Elder Oaks said. (FWIW, my state is not really affected by this ruling, we have had legalized gay marriage for several years.)
Here is already a statement by the lds church: http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/supreme-court-decision-will-not-alter-doctrine-on-marriage Interesting:
JS was living in polygamy when it was illegal but that’s alright, he was the prophet.
What the lds church teaches:
And there was a strict command throughout all the churches that there should be no persecutions among them, that there should be an equality among all men; —Mosiah 27:3
That you may be equal in the bonds of heavenly things, yea, and earthly things also, for the obtaining of heavenly things. For if ye are not equal in earthly things ye cannot be equal in obtaining heavenly things; —D&C 78:5-6
And again, verily I say unto you, that whoso forbiddeth to marry is not ordained of God, for marriage is ordained of God unto man. —D&C 49:15
And that law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me. Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land; —D&C 98:5-6
…and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile. —2Nephi 26:33
We do not believe it just to mingle religious influence with civil government, whereby one religious society is fostered and another proscribed in its spiritual privileges, and the individual rights of its members, as citizens, denied. —D&C 134:9
Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake. —Luke 6:22
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. —Galatians 3:28
I am sure a lot of churches will say: The 2nd coming is right around the corner.
We all knew this was inevitable. I think the church did too…and so it was positioning itself earlier this year to be accepting of the inevitable, but still advocating the right to have our own beliefs, and not have to accept it, even if we realize others in society will. In time…the church members will see there is no threat by it. It is healthy. It does not lead to a collapse of society. It is not the end of days and Christ appearing to cleanse the world…actually…time will march on and the church will be decades behind society in accepting these equality issues.
Today is a good day.
It’s about time my FB feed has been almost nothing but good comments about it. I do have one friend who is a crazy TBM. He’s super orthodox on almost every subject, and he’s posted about how this is tearing down families and so on. Sigh we all have that one friend… There’s some interesting language in the Church’s statement
Quote:The Court’s decision does not alter the Lord’s doctrine that marriage is a union between a man and a woman
ordained by God. [Emphasis added]
Does that mean a legal marriage of a man and woman is not really a marriage if it is not ordained by God?I don’t agree with the entire Church statement, but I think it was a very good statement. Today really is a good day.
TataniaAvalon wrote:It’s about time my FB feed has been almost nothing but good comments about it. I do have one friend who is a crazy TBM. He’s super orthodox on almost every subject, and he’s posted about how this is tearing down families and so on. Sigh we all have that one friend…
In my state gay marriage has been legal for several years. There is no discernible difference in the already liberal culture/society of this state, so it is difficult for even the most true believing to make an argument otherwise. It is also of note that the church has shifted its rhetoric of late from being opposed to gay marriage itself to religious freedom, AKA, not forcing churches to perform or recognize gay marriage. I don’t see any movement to compromise this freedom so I think the church is safe for now. I also hope that at some future time the church will recognize that gay marriage is harmless.TataniaAvalon wrote:It’s about time my FB feed has been almost nothing but good comments about it. I do have one friend who is a crazy TBM. He’s super orthodox on almost every subject, and he’s posted about how this is tearing down families and so on. Sigh we all have that one friend…
For some people, it takes time to see past artificial fears they’ve created. They’ll just sound more ignorant the more they jump up and down about their nonsense.TataniaAvalon wrote:It’s about time my FB feed has been almost nothing but good comments about it. I do have one friend who is a crazy TBM. He’s super orthodox on almost every subject, and he’s posted about how this is tearing down families and so on. Sigh we all have that one friend…
I have a lot more than one. Makes sense, though – birds of a feather flock together, and I used to be just like them. I try to remember that.
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