Sat PM General Conference Session

[mom3]

Oh MYGOSH.

You heard it here first. Same Sex Attraction has room in the choir.

[Old-Timer]

There is room for . . . lots of differing things . . . for everyone. (including differing sexual attractions)

[mom3]

Maybe not marriage yet. But room. Join my bench. There has always been room on it. This is a Sunday School – RS – Comment.

[Old-Timer]

I will be leaving soon to take my daughter to a theater production. I am going to include Elder Holland’s talk in my request for a 5th Sunday lesson about mormonandgay.org .

[Old-Timer]

The choir is signing the words. I love that.

[mom3]

I am still in shock. I was just typing to DJ about the LGBT issue when Holland threw out the statement. I am barely breathing in shock.

[ydeve]

mom3 wrote:

Maybe not marriage yet. But room. Join my bench. There has always been room on it. This is a Sunday School – RS – Comment.

I’ll believe it when they walk the walk instead of talking the talk.

Edit: Sorry for the cynicism. Keep up the slow work. I just can’t base my life on their empty promises.

[nibbler]

Holland’s talk didn’t do it for me. Sure he said some things that needed to be said and I’m grateful for it but he also said some things that rang 100% hollow for me. I’ve been trying to capture a specific message this conference, a message that I need for my unique situation, a message that perhaps a general conference is incapable of giving.

I’ll show myself the exit now.

[Old-Timer]

I understand, ydeve – but it now has been said over the GC pulpit. That is not an insignificant thing.

I just got multiple text messages from my kids ecstatic that it was said. It is a necessary start.

[mom3]

Quote:

I’ll believe it when they walk the walk instead of talking the talk.

Edit: Sorry for the cynicism. Keep up the slow work. I just can’t base my life on their empty promises.

I totally get it. I am not asking anyone to do that. But a top GA just gave those of us who can push to push harder at opening the door of inclusion. I plan to take it as far as I can. I also plan to take the multiple messages about serving the needy, stop bullying and including of everyone. We have mega miles to go and I will use every piece of leverage I can find.

I am totally happy to let those who have been hurt to take all the time they need.

[Old-Timer]

It is fascinating to hear this talk directly after Elder Holland’s talk. Yep, we aren’t there yet – so I am even more happy to hear the messages we need to hear.

(I am not saying this is a bad talk, since there are some really good aspects – but it is a classic mixed bag. There are a few things that are really bad advice for most people here.)

[mom3]

Quote:

It’s time to stand up again

Will do.

[ydeve]

All-in is conflating church and gospel. But “standing up inside” is a good way to put it.

[Old-Timer]

That is a great observation, ydeve. I like it.

[mom3]

I don’t like the Great and Spacious connection. We all are in that building in my opinion.

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