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Just to clarify current temple practice: Those who are 8-20 and single can be sealed with a limited use recommend to their living parents. They cannot be involved in proxy sealings. Those over 20 must have a full recommend to be involved in sealings.
cwald wrote:I’m quite sure that Gene Rodenberry was a NOM in his former life.
I’m quite sure Hawkgrrrl would agree with that. Star Trek is pretty mystical, and often profound (and I’m sure Capt Kirk would vote for procreation in the afterlife
Butters wrote:I don’t want to be the missing Heavenly Mother figure. That just doesn’t make sense to me and makes me very sad to think that is what happened.
What are your thoughts on that?
I think one way for me to process it is to think that Heavenly Father and Mother are perfect and have a perfect love for me. The current plan of going to earth to be separated for a time in order to return as celestial husbands and wives is a nice image for me. Kind of like I plan to send my kids to college to study and find a mate, then hopefully we’ll have some wonderful family reunions, even if they do leave me for a bit..I hope they’ll always talk to me and be close to me, even if they’re not with me all the time.
I personally don’t subscribe to the idea our current physical needs will go forward in the eternities…for example, sex, eating and the end result of eating. I would think those are just mortal things…we’ll have something better in the next life that is more eternally sufficient.
Regarding sealings, I’m sealed to my parents, and my wife is sealed to her parents. It seems that as we all get sealed together, we’ll be in big groups, or else we’ll be just husband and wife with lots of visits and reunions with others. I think more of the latter…more about couples than groups.
I often wonder why we worry about being sealed together so much…do we think we’ll get lost up in heaven and just not be able to find our family members, or will it really be that without those sealing ordinances, we cannot get by the guards in heaven that allow us to get to the highest levels of heaven?
I think it’s a wonderful symbolism for communal exaltation / salvation, which I love FAR more than the idea that it happens strictly as individuals. I just think it gets messy when it’s taken literally and exclusively by couple – which, since we are told we will be one as couples, is no different conceptually than being saved as individuals only. Butters wrote:So then, that brings me to the afterlife and becoming Gods/Goddesses. If you look at the whole mind blowing eternity idea if we are to pro-create in the afterlife and have spirit children and we create a world. By the time we create a world and whatever else it involves then we have a gazillion spirit children. Since these spirit children are just spirits and live in heaven they really don’t know what is joy or sadness so they are just content. Then we decide that for them to have joy they must go to our world and have a body and thus the cycle repeats itself. The same cycle that we are in. Maybe this is what happened to us.
If this happens as we’ve come to hope then who will be the savior of our world? And what will be the status of the one we call our Heavenly Father? We hold God to be over all and not just this earth. I’ve been thinking about this since going to the temple last week. Who was Adam and Eve there in all those other worlds here to for formed and who was their savior? What and where are the other worlds? Was there a counsel there with a never ending repeat of the war? All this is hard for me because in spite of all the faith involved in religion, for me, it has to make sense.
Heber13 wrote:and the end result of eating.
Woah woah woah! Wait a second… There’s no porcelain “throne” in the Celestial Kingdom??? I thought that’s what the scriptures were always talking about with all that “kingdom” stuff and eating fruit of life. I was kinda looking forward to reading my magazines and newspapers in the CK can. It’s the only place I can usually get a little peace and quiet with so many kids around, in this earth life.
GBSmith wrote:If this happens as we’ve come to hope then who will be the savior of our world? And what will be the status of the one we call our Heavenly Father? We hold God to be over all and not just this earth. I’ve been thinking about this since going to the temple last week. Who was Adam and Eve there in all those other worlds here to for formed and who was their savior? What and where are the other worlds? Was there a counsel there with a never ending repeat of the war? All this is hard for me because in spite of all the faith involved in religion, for me, it has to make sense.
Ouch. You’re making my head hurt. Which, of course, is what happens when you try to make sense of this stuff. Better to step back, give it a quick glossing over, and assume that you now know the meaning of life.Brian Johnston wrote:Heber13 wrote:and the end result of eating.
Woah woah woah! Wait a second… There’s no porcelain “throne” in the Celestial Kingdom??? I thought that’s what the scriptures were always talking about with all that “kingdom” stuff and eating fruit of life. I was kinda looking forward to reading my magazines and newspapers in the CK can. It’s the only place I can usually get a little peace and quiet with so many kids around, in this earth life.
Since you brought it up Brian — Last Summer when I visited DC, I was visiting the Supreme Court building when “nature called.” I kid you not, the entire bathroom was done in awesome marble: sinks, floor, walls, stalls and yes, the throne, and the whole place was sparkling clean. Well, I’ll tell you what – I felt so “dirty” and guilty after wards. If that is anything what is will be like in the CK – I’m not sure I will make it.
😈 doug wrote:Better to step back, give it a quick glossing over, and assume that you now know the meaning of life.
Spinal Tap’s drummer had the purpose of life, “Have a good time all the time” but I’ve forgot the meaning of life . It was in Douglas Adam’s book, “The Hitch Hiker’s Guide to the Galaxy” and was something like “64” or “27”or something like that. I’m well into the sunset years so if anyone out there remembers and could tell me before it gets too late, I’d appreciate it.
It’s 42. And if you happen to know what BCD (binary-coded decimal) is and care to represent ‘4’ on your left hand and ‘2’ on your right, you might get a surprise. Edit: Alright, alright. It’s the double bird. Of course I have no idea if that was the original intent, but I can see how sometimes that might be considered a valid answer to the meaning of life.
GBSmith wrote:doug wrote:Better to step back, give it a quick glossing over, and assume that you now know the meaning of life.
Spinal Tap’s drummer had the purpose of life, “Have a good time all the time” but I’ve forgot the meaning of life . It was in Douglas Adam’s book, “The Hitch Hiker’s Guide to the Galaxy” and was something like “64” or “27”or something like that. I’m well into the sunset years so if anyone out there remembers and could tell me before it gets too late, I’d appreciate it.
doug wrote:It’s 42. And if you happen to know what BCD (binary-coded decimal) is and care to represent ‘4’ on your left hand and ‘2’ on your right, you might get a surprise.
Ahhh? What the hell are you guys talking about?
Epic insider information, cwald. 42 and its representation with the hands is like knowing the flight speed of a swallow.
Well, alright – what ever. I haven’t read Douglas Adams in 25 years. Probably not going to reread it either. I’m out of here, and this insane discussion.
:wtf: LOL – It really has derailed in a major way. Any time a Monty Python reference sounds mainstream, you know you’ve gone far afield. 
If someone can drag this back to the focus of the post . . .
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