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Another brilliant response from Roy. In could have written the first two boundaries as they describe my exact coping mechanisms. Sent from my XT1080 using Tapatalk
Anger & Forgiveness have been a big issues for me. I feel forgiveness is a work in progress not a single event. I think I have to learn to forgive myself before I can receive forgiveness from God or others.
Life has been an interesting process to go through. The dark parts were particularly hard.
It does get better over time.
Quote:We don’t seek apologizes, nor do we give them. – Dallin Oaks
Edited to Add quote I was directing this quote at so as not to be considered a “troll” or appear to “misrepresent” or accused of “drive by bombing.”.
Quote:Roy Wrote:
Forgiving church hurt or church abuse is complex
because the church generally seems like it will never admit fault.The church generally also seems to throw peope that have been hurt under the bus as having been “offended” or wanting to sin etc. cwald wrote:Quote:We don’t seek apologizes, nor do we give them. – Dallin Oaks
We’re all in different places on our paths, cwald. Perhaps DHO just hasn’t gained an understanding of this principle yet.
DarkJedi wrote:cwald wrote:Quote:We don’t seek apologizes, nor do we give them. – Dallin Oaks
We’re all in different places on our paths, cwald. Perhaps DHO just hasn’t gained an understanding of this principle yet.
Maybe. But that is a sad thought… since he is an apostle of God’s one and only true church on the earth.
Maybe Mom3 needs be called as an apostle in the COJCOLDS?
I think it is crystal clear that quote deals with organizations and not individuals. Agree or disagree, let’s not misrepresent. Perhaps in context this particular quote was about the institution and not the individual – that is by no means crystal clear to me because I have encountered priesthood leaders who firmly believe that they should never apologize even when we both knew they were wrong. Fortunately none of them are currently my local leaders. In the context of the actual quote, Elder Oaks was speaking about the organization. There is no doubt about that. Again, we can disagree with what he said, but . . . It was a drive-by bombing of an excellent post and is completely irrelevant to the point mom3 made in the post, except to illustrate that point in an ironic, unintended way.
The discussion about it needs to stop, and we need to get back to the message mom3 shared. It is a beautiful one.
[Admin Note]: This post is a beautiful reminder about the need to forgive. It will not be thread jacked and turned into a screed about apologizing. Any further attempts to do that will be deleted without comment. I was directing my DHO quote at a specific comment made by Roy. I have edited my post by quoting Roy, so as not to be considered a “troll” or appear to “misrepresent” or accused of “drive by bombing.”. Quote:Roy Wrote: Forgiving church hurt or church abuse is complex
because the church generally seems like it will never admit fault.The church generally also seems to throw peope that have been hurt under the bus as having been “offended” or wanting to sin etc. I don’t know how many of you read or watched Unbroken. But Louis Zamperini is one of the people who taught me about the power of forgiveness without an apology. (I do believe in apologies). When Unbroken – the movie came out, Louis’ religious transformation was not included. This is largely because it didn’t fit in a compact story line. The DVD now includes a brief documentary on that portion of his life. These clips relate to this topic and I thought you might find inspiration in it yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuLRPovgU6Qhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuLRPovgU6Q” class=”bbcode_url”> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP0J7TiOMTghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP0J7TiOMTg” class=”bbcode_url”> mom3 wrote:I don’t know how many of you read or watched Unbroken. But Louis Zamperini is one of the people who taught me about the power of forgiveness without an apology. (I do believe in apologies). When Unbroken – the movie came out, Louis’ religious transformation was not included. This is largely because it didn’t fit in a compact story line. The DVD now includes a brief documentary on that portion of his life.
These clips relate to this topic and I thought you might find inspiration in it yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuLRPovgU6Qhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuLRPovgU6Q” class=”bbcode_url”> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP0J7TiOMTghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP0J7TiOMTg” class=”bbcode_url”> Thanks for sharing that, Mom. We did watch Unbroken (digital) this past weekend on the advice of my college-age son who also read the book. I’m looking forward to his return from college so I can read the book, too. As my wife and I discussed the movie we brought that up – that he must have been religious but it was not expressly talked about in the movie except his desperate plea and the ending said he kept his promise. The other thing we wondered about was what happened to him after the movie and when he is shown as an old man (I’m trying not to spoil anything, but I think it’s OK to know he does actually appear in the movie at the end.)
Great movie, lots of application to life.
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