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Ooooh… Goodbye white shirt! This makes me SO happy! Allow beards to people serving in bishoprics etc and I would be so happy!
Thanks a lot for the info! Much appreciated!
Bear wrote:Allow beards to people serving in bishoprics etc and I would be so happy!
My Bishop through my teen years had a full on beard. The rules seem to be applied very inconsistently here.
Old-Timer wrote:There is nothing in the handbook that forbids facial hair on members of a Bishopric.
nor forbiddimg women to where pants…must be in the
unwrittenorder of things! 😈 In case you want to read in online: Quote:Those who bless and pass the sacrament should dress modestly and be well groomed and clean. Clothing or jewelry should not call attention to itself or distract members during the sacrament. Ties and white shirts are recommended because they add to the dignity of the ordinance. However, they should not be required as a mandatory prerequisite for a priesthood holder to participate. Nor should it be required that all be alike in dress and appearance. Bishops should use discretion when giving such guidance to young men, taking into account their financial circumstances and maturity in the Church.
A few weeks ago a new member passed sacrament in a grey striped shirt and no tie. The Bishop went up in my estimation that day.
Having said that, white shirts are still strongly pushed: Quote:1. Today is Eli’s birthday. He is four years old.
In four more years, you will be baptized.
And four years after that, you will be a deacon and you will be able to pass the sacrament.
2. Later, Mom helped Eli change from his pajamas into his church clothes.
3. Do deacons wear superhero pants to church?
No. Deacons wear nice pants.
4. Do deacons wear superhero shirts to church?
No. Deacons wear white shirts and ties.
5. I want to wear a white shirt and nice pants. I want to dress like a deacon.
Mom helped Eli put on his nice pants, a white shirt, and a tie.
6. At church, Eli folded his arms as he watched the deacons pass the sacrament.
7. When a deacon brought Eli the sacrament, Eli took a piece of bread and then handed the tray to Mom.
8. Mom smiled at Eli. He was happy to help. He felt just like a deacon.
http://www.lds.org/liahona/2012/10/for-young-children/dressing-like-a-deacon?lang=eng Quote:What I said earlier about the importance of appropriate dress for those who receive the ordinance of the sacrament obviously applies with special force to the young men of the Aaronic Priesthood who officiate in any part of that sacred ordinance. All should be well-groomed and modestly dressed. There should be nothing about their personal appearance or actions that would call special attention to themselves or distract anyone present from full attention to the worship and covenant making that are the purpose of this sacred service.
Elder Jeffrey R. Holland gave a valuable teaching on this subject in general conference 13 years ago. Since most of our current deacons were not even born when these words were last spoken here, I repeat them for their benefit and that of their parents and teachers: “May I suggest that wherever possible a white shirt be worn by the deacons, teachers, and priests who handle the sacrament. For sacred ordinances in the Church we often use ceremonial clothing, and a white shirt could be seen as a gentle reminder of the white clothing you wore in the baptismal font and an anticipation of the white shirt you will soon wear into the temple and onto your missions” (“This Do in Remembrance of Me,” Ensign, Nov. 1995, 68).
I’ve said already that I don’t have a problem at all with the emphasis on white shirts for the administration of the sacrament in order to tie in the symbolism more obviously to baptism. I’m totally fine with that – as long as . . . Elder Holland’s full statement is given, in which he says not only that the guidance is for “whenever possible” but also where he makes it clear that it is counsel and not command – that it should not be seen as a uniform, in the strictest sense.
Again, it’s when the water gets diverted and doesn’t reach the end of the row that my issues arise.
Ahh, do you know how refreshing it is do hear people sharing my same opinion about the whole white shirt rule? 
blue_birdI helped with a blessing recently after work and my wife suggested I needed to stop home first and change into a white shirt. I just had a colored polo on. I said, no it’s fine and she insisted I would be looking silly when the other guys showed up in suits. Not that I would have really worried about it either way, but one of the other people who is a stake patriarch showed up in a colored collared shirt, no tie and a sweater and the other guy also showed up right after work in jeans. The priesthood is about helping others, not the uniform. I blessed and passed the sacrament in fatigues and caring a gun for over six month in Iraq and spirit was just a strong as ever. I did the same in the states My take is pure hands and a clean heart. Scouts do a janboree and Joseph Smith never wore a tie. At the same time, pick your battles. church0333 wrote:I blessed and passed the sacrament in fatigues and caring a gun for over six month in Iraq and spirit was just a strong as ever. I did the same in the states My take is pure hands and a clean heart. Scouts do a janboree and Joseph Smith never wore a tie. At the same time, pick your battles.
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I served in an Asian branch dominated by children and teenagers. The Teachers’ Quorum President passed the sacrament in jeans, tennis shoes and his gang shirt and jacket. Wonderful young man; wonderful spirit during the sacrament. Again, I support the symbolism mentioned in Elder Holland’s talk, but I also support the clear statement in the talk and in the handbook that there is no command or proscription involved – that it is a meaningful ideal and nothing more. I would not encourage people who have access to white shirts and a reasonable expectation of being asked to help administer the sacrament to wear something else, but I certainly feel comfortable doing so in a non-white shirt and oppose not allowing someone to participate based solely on their shirt color – or an assumption that wearing a different colored shirt is a sign of pride and/or rebellion.
Ironically, in this case, I want more “correlation” – in the sense that I want the talk and handbook followed, not the unwritten order of things.
(How’s that for an interesting thought – that when we complain about the unwritten order of things we are asking for a higher degree of correlation? Just something to consider.)
I’m happy to wear a white shirt…if it’s a T-shirt. Read Elder Holland’s quote that mackay11 posted. There’s nothing about collars or buttons. Nothing about ties, either. I dislike ties much more than white dress shirts. I like what Pi says in the book “Life of Pi”:
Quote:I have nothing to say of my working life, only that a tie is a noose, and inverted though it is, it will hang a man nonetheless if he’s not careful.
Also, remember this:
Quote:See what ruffians and villains come out against me; see what monsters oppose me; see what hideous countenances come to frighten us! You shall soon see, scoundrels!…Ill-conditioned and worse-counselled rabble, restore to liberty and freedom the person ye hold in durance in this your fortress or prison, high or low or of whatever rank or quality he be, for I am Don Quixote of La Mancha, otherwise called the Knight of the Lions, for whom, by the disposition of heaven above, it is reserved to give a happy issue to this adventure.
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