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Wine is against the word of wisdom and it come from the same plant as grape juice yet grape juice is ok and good for you and wine… well… you know… I love green tea and drink a ton of it. I buy it special and not the junk at the store. Mine is naturally caffeine free. Black Tea is the fermented form of black tea. During the time that the WoW was written, hot drinks referred to black tea. I have done a lot of study into this topic and have come to the conclusion through certain sources that the church has no official opinion on Green Tea and leaves it up to the members to decide. Green Tea good for you… Black Tea bad for you…. Grape Juice good for you… Wine….
😆 DevilsAdvocate wrote:curt wrote:What is more problematic to me than past Church leaders possibly being racist (at a time that this wasn’t exactly unheard of) is simply the fact that they continued to claim that this policy came directly from God in a dogmatic and unequivocal way as if it was set-in-stone and would never change for so long only to completely reverse this policy later on. The way I see it, if they’ve been wrong before and can’t seem to keep their story straight then why should I listen to them when they say I need to hand over 10% of my income as tithing if I want to have an eternal family?
I stopped trying to get my parcels of truth from church leaders a long time ago. The ideal is that we could all be instructed by the spirit on what is truth.
In the past I tried to figure out when a church leader was speaking by the spirit and when they were not. When they were speaking doctrine and when it was simply their own opinion. Then I heard about Bruce R McKonkie saying teaching that blacks would never recieve the priesthood in this life and that people should stop asking about it. Then later, after the revelation, he was humbled and had to admit that he had been wrong and that he was part of the reception of the revelation. To see that something that happens to me all the time, could happen to them opened my mind on this topic and I learned that it doesn’t matter to me when they are speaking by the spirit or when they are speaking doctrine or not. What matters is whether or not I am listening by the spirit or not because then I will truly learn doctrine despite what they are saying!
I don’t know what I’d do either.. depends on my mood. I’m a big fan about the biggest thing we can say to people is with our actions. Maybe your actions were a good thing, maybe they were a bad thing. It doesn’t matter anymore because God is in control. I’ve always liked the statement that the church has made that ‘good publicity or bad publicity, it’s all good publicity’. Maybe the things that that person said really made someone think poorly of the Mormons, or more likely, it showed what sort of an ignorant fool that person was. By shutting them up, you would have stopped the opportunity for them to continue putting their feet in their mouth. 😆 I’m tired of feeling guilt about whether or not I might be a good example for the church, or a bad example. I entirely feel too much guilt in my life. I choose to let go, forgive myself and let the atonement cover my imperfections. All you can do it try your best, and even when we don’t… we still try!
😳 I don’t know why things happen or whether the church made a mistake with this. My inclination is to think that there was a deeper meaning behind the whole thing. After all, it’s not the first time God has prohibited a certain race or group of people from fully partaking of the blessings of the priesthood in this life. Look at the 12 tribes of Israel for example where the priesthood was confined to the tribe of Levi. I don’t think this was racism on God’s part but instead a way of Him being able to fulfill his own purposes. Of course today, in the enlightened age that we live in
🙄 , we see any differences between races as racist or racism. I think the priesthood ban was probably from God. Do I think that the attitude towards blacks from most people in the church even leaders was or God? Assuming that they had an attitude of anything else other than all out love and acceptance towards them, that I would say absolutely not of God. But we learn and we grow.My opinion, besides one of really just not knowing, is that the priesthood ban was from God and that it helped Heavenly Father accomplish some purpose that He had. It had nothing to do with his preference towards one race over another because he does not work that way. We are all a group of spirits who came down to this earth to have a mortal experience to further our eternal journey. Each one of us had different things we have to learn and I believe we chose to come down among the set of experiences that would best help us further our progression. I also think we consulted with and trusted in God that He knew what we most needed to be challenged with.
If God came down into our society and lived among us, would He fit into all of our social norms? Probably not… after all Jesus didn’t and he is God. They killed him! The issue of racism within the church in the past is a hard pill because the people of the history, just like everyone else, were a product of their generations. Will they be held accountable for their wrong views? I hope not because I don’t want to be held accountable for my wrong views.
I am a life long active LDS Temple endowed Mormon and also an active Free Mason. I fail to see why people make such a big deal out of the tie between Masons and Mormons. Personally, I think the tie is a positive thing. It’s frustrating to see people blow either organization into something that it’s not! There are probably a lot of people that think that way. The nice thing about the church is that people are allowed to have a myriad of different perspectives on topics. I’ve heard people who thought that purchasing something from the vending machine on Sunday was a sin. Many people in my family don’t have a problem with running to the supermarket on Sunday to purchase something they want or need. Each person gets to make up their own mind on the topic and yet we all still get along. On my mission, we taught that, on Sunday, we do things that bring us closer to God and nothing else. I like that motto and I try to live by it as much as possible. I am far from perfect on it so , being the perfectionist I am, I also have to work on lightening up on myself and giving myself a break when I don’t do it the way I want to.
I don’t have a problem camping on Sunday, but I try to do things on that day that are pensive and draw me closer to God. I would tend to agree with your wife about driving a long distance that would involve me getting gas at a gas station. Since I don’t want to have to work on Sunday, I try to make it so others don’t have to work on Sunday as well if possible. This hasn’t stopped me from traveling on Sundays, but it is a goal of mine to get to the point where I can do my traveling on either the Saturday before or the Monday after.
I think that extra blessings come from trying to keep the Sabbath Day holy. God is not some vengeful God looking to punish us when we do something wrong. I think that many times, he leaves us on our own in those kinds of situations if He thinks that something positive will come out of the situation. After all, His world and His glory is our happiness. So it really doesn’t matter what other people think.
