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ParticipantSamBee wrote:This does of course lead to a Da Vinci problem. Did he have children? Are his descendents still amongst us?
Well, who’s to say whether it’s accurate or not, but last week my father sent me an email as he was doing some genealogy at the family history library in SLC. As it turns out, he had followed one of our lines backward, and eventually hit Jesus Christ in the line. From there, obviously, we know the genealogy back to Adam.
We have seen lines go back to Adam before (in our family history), but not through Christ.
And the wife listed in the family tree? Mary Magdalene.
Now at first I was thinking to myself, how can this be? Do we know that he was married? Do we know to whom? Has someone made an assumption in the system and connected these two people (Christ and Mary) together? Or do they know something everyone else doesn’t? Was this from modern revelation or some other means (such as historical evidence, papyri, etc.)?
Forget for a moment whether or not this line of mine is even accurate. Let’s deal simply with “was Christ married?” I believe his absolutely was.
For what reason was Christ baptized? It wasn’t for the remission of sins. So why? What do we teach to our 8 year old kids when they get baptized? He was baptized to fulfill God’s commandments as a living ordinance, required for entry back into God’s presence, and because Jesus set the example. Even Christ is not above the required ordinances, and set the example for us, despite not needing the remission of His sins.
Quote:Matthew 3:13-15
13 ¶Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
If marriage is also a required ordinance to enter the celestial kingdom, by the same logic Christ used for being baptized of John, would Christ not also have fulfilled the requirement of marriage, thus completing all the required ordinances and setting the example for us as to a perfect life without blemish, obeying all of God’s commandments? It makes sense. In fact, it would be illogical and difficult to argue that He didn’t marry. “Married to the church,” yes I’ve heard that, but so is a Bishop, a Stake President, etc. It’s a metaphor.
Quote:The Articles of Faith, 4
4 We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
It makes perfect sense to me, and I accept that Christ was not
probably married, but absolutely would have been. Now as to whether or not someone made some assumptions in the Church’s computer genealogy lines or not I couldn’t say. However, if you have ever used FamilySearch.org you know that it functions similar to how Wiki’s work online; people can submit changes that can be undone by people, and do so without any assigned authority.
Going back to familysearch.org today, I notice that someone has removed the spousal relationship of “Jesus Christ” to Mary Magdalene from that spot in my genealogy line, with the editorial comment
“This is a speculative, controversial relationship without adequate documentation. This is an inappropriate use of the family tree.”Mary Magdalene is still there, however, but now lacking a proper spouse for her husband. “Add Husband.”Before the relationship was deleted, it showed Mary and Jesus having three sons.
Quote:So who are the descendants of Jesus? The Joseph Smith family? The Merovingians? The prophets of the church?
The descendants of Jesus would be incredibly numerous as to include a great many lines and people. People begatting people begatting people adds up to quite a lot of people over time,
😆 The answer to the question above could be simply, all of them. When we go back far enough, we’re all related anyway. I have to go back 61 generations to see Christ in my line. That’s a lot of people. Chances are, with that many generations, all of you reading this could also find Him in one of your lines as well.The only other part of this I’m trying to learn and accept is whether Mary Magdalene was Christ’s wife (or one of them!). There is reason enough to believe it, considering:
[list]- (1) she was weeping at the tomb – yes, many people were saddened by the Lord’s departure (and manner of it), but she was mourning alone at the tomb, as you would expect a wife to.
[/list] [list]- (2) He appeared to her
first after his resurrectionand before even ascending to our Heavenly Father (Mark 16:9/John 20:14-18) [/list] [list]- (3) She attended major important events – at/near the crucifixion (Matt 27:56/Mark 15:40/John 19:25), she was at Christ’s burial (Matt 27:61/Mark 15:47), she was at the tomb the morning of the resurrection (Matt 28:1/Mark 16:1/Luke 24:10/John 20:1, 11), Jesus appeared first to her after the resurrection (Mark 16:9 / John 20:14-18)…
[/list] Quote:John 20:11-18
11 ¶But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,
12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
13 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.
14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
Food for thought.
Now for something fun – in this line of mine that goes back (through Christ) to Adam, Adam being the 1st generation, and me being the 121st generation… Christ is the 60th generation.
Quote:57 For they would not hearken unto his voice, nor believe on his Only Begotten Son, even
him whom he declared should come in the meridian of time, who was prepared from before the foundation of the world. Quote:Moses 6:57 Wherefore teach it unto your children, that all men, everywhere, must repent, or they can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God, for no unclean thing can dwell there, or dwell in his presence; for, in the language of Adam, Man of Holiness is his name, and the name of his Only Begotten is the Son of Man, even Jesus Christ, a righteous Judge,
who shall come in the meridian of time. Quote:Moses 6:62 And now, behold, I say unto you: This is the plan of salvation unto all men, through the blood of mine Only Begotten, who
shall come in the meridian of time. Quote:Moses 7:45 And it came to pass that Enoch looked; and from Noah, he beheld all the families of the earth; and he cried unto the Lord, saying: When shall the day of the Lord come? When shall the blood of the Righteous be shed, that all they that mourn may be sanctified and have eternal life?
46 And the Lord said:
It shall be in the meridian of time, in the days of wickedness and vengeance. Quote:D&C 20:26 Not only those who believed after
he came in the meridian of time, in the flesh, but all those from the beginning, even as many as were before he came, who believed in the words of the holy prophets, who spake as they were inspired by the gift of the Holy Ghost, who truly testified of him in all things, should have eternal life, Quote:D&C 39:3 The same which came in the
meridian of timeunto mine own, and mine own received me not; I believe the Lord will return in my lifetime. And yes, I am sure he was married.
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