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Ruth, I am trying to digest all your family has been through. For right now I just want to tell you I am sorry for all you and yours have had to go through. I am sorry the church failed you with these situations. There is much education that needs to be done regarding sexual abuse and how it is handled within the church. I will be praying for you as you seek your solutions and answers. Didn’t Bruce R. McConkie write the words to “I Believe in Christ” in our LDS hymnal? The copyright states 1972. The words, “I’ll worship him with all my might; He is the source of truth and light” are in the hymn. This confuses me after reading his talk. I have to think on this a bit. Definitely will not give up the word of wisdom…always been a good thing for me. Really don’t want to give up anything that would affect not having my temple recommend. I gain much when I go into the temple. Very interesting Silent Dawning! I have never thought to capitalize the church unless I was writing or typing the official name. I definitely won’t start doing it now either, although now that you brought this to my attention, I will probably notice other people doing it all over the place. At least, I don’t think I’ve capitalized it. I will have to go look for things I’ve written
😯 Very good discussion. Wayfarer, this is profound! I agree with so many points you have made. I believe we all can receive our own personal revelation also. I cannot deny the spiritual experiences or “delusions” I have had. That is part of why I can look past “junk” and stay engaged. Heber13, I have had confusion over the same subject you brought up, but could never have been so articulate in expressing my confusion. I am looking forward to reading more comments on this post.
:clap: Good luck Ray! Having gone through 2 job changes in the last 2 – 3 years myself, I can remark to how much one is capable of growing to meet the demands of what is required of us! Will keep you in my prayers! Candlelight, my heart goes out to you. I have been and will be praying for you, as I know so many others here are too. I am praying specifically that you will be able to be calm and see the biggest picture, so that you may sidestep feelings of anger, especially as you head into your disciplinary council. People can and will say stupid things to you. Don’t let those situations distract you from your relationship with Heavenly Father and the Savior. Keep praying! Your prayers will be heard. You are loved! Keep focusing there. You are important to your Heavenly Parents. You will NOT be abandoned by those who matter. When I have gone through hard situations and there have been a few, I like to repeat to myself, “For God hath not given us the spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.” How wonderful that she will turn to you and work on all this now! I am sure she will be much stronger for it in the future! Gerald, I saw a situation where ward boundaries changed and an elderly couple changed wards and it was very damaging as one of them suffered from some emotional/mental illnesses. It completely destabilized this person to make those changes and have to deal with a whole new group of people who didn’t feel like friends or “family”. We just never know where someone is coming from and I think we should be careful to try not to judge since we don’t know. The Church is enough of a church of order that it should be able to survive and carry on in spite of some exceptions. In addition, in our area, it is not uncommon at all for people moving to the area to visit wards before they buy their house. Sometimes our wards can make or break us. Bridget_Night: It makes me so sad and also for you Mike! Everything else hangs on the first 2 great commandments and it seems so many have lost sight of that. How can you be loving your fellow man or going after the one if you now pretend that person doesn’t even exist? If someone is in our immediate circles, I believe we have a responsbility to reach out.Not to chastise, straighten out, judge, etc….just to love, which means there should be some communication going on. For me and mine, we feel we have been “called” in our little sphere to reach out and love as we can and to seek direction for who is most in need of love at any given time. We have stepped on territorial toes, been accused of interfering with the organized way (but not by the people who needed and wanted our type of love and service!). Interesting that leadership can at times lose sight and feel they have the right to dictate who can serve someone, versus allowing that person to voice that he/she has asked for or is welcoming help from a particular person or family. I do believe, with all my heart, that God is bigger than all this. This is not to say I am against our church in any way. I love so much about the church and our restored truths. But we don’t have it down perfectly. I do believe there is much to be revealed and that’s the rub. Some act as if it has all been revealed and they will be justified in these hurtful behaviors. I believe otherwise.
Quote:1) when a previous bishop told him he lhought my husband had left the church because he wanted to sail his new sailboat on Sundays. My husband was taken aback that this bishop would think he was that shallow and explained (again) why he no longer believed the church was true. 2). It hurt him that none of the high counselor men or stake president that he worked so close with for years as a high council man himself, ever contacted him to see why he left or how he was doing.
There seems to be something very wrong when people can serve together and then someone stops coming and no one cares enough to contact him/her. I have reflected on situations like this many times. Especially when it seems that there is friendship while people serve together in callings. I have decided that people and friendships seem to be very disposable to many. I don’t know if we are people weary from being around so many so much of the time or many people are just very inward looking. I know people who feel they were just an assignment after a VT or HT is changed out- many times those VT’ers and HT’ers can’t bother to even say hello in the hall. Yes, that kind of behavior would make any person wonder. Changing of ward boundaries will often unsettle people due to this kind of behavior.
I am so sorry that no one cared enough to engage in discussion with your husband.
I was sitting in church when Elder Bednar gave this talk. Sitting in front of me was a friend who had been very wounded by people. She physically reacted and jumped up and ran out of the room. I ran out after her and spent some time calming her down. When talks like these are given and and it is not stressed that some are truly emotionally bleeding from the wounds inflicted in the house of their friends, it can cause more bleeding. My friend has remained in the church despite tremendous opposition. I am so proud of her. I so wish there was a little more emphasis on looking around us and asking , “Is it I?” So many times, I have been very aware that certain people know they are being hurtful and they flat don’t care! I can never understand why so many do not ever see a need to apologize even when they know they have misbehaved.
I also agree with Ray that we shouldn’t ever give the impression that medications for emotional/mental illnesses should not be used. I once heard an LDS physician speak at a RS meeting and indicate that depression was caused by spiritual issues. It didnt’ go over well with many of the sisters.
Roy, I have to say I totally disagree with your bishop regarding being too busy to be involved in activities with people of other faiths. This is a big part of the reason there have been so many misperceptions about LDS people. Our family mixes it up with people of other faiths and no faiths regularly. It “grows” us and helps them to understand our faith better. While I totally understand On My Own’s point about a ward needing people to carry out the callings, I really believe there needs to be a balance in our lives. I also believe you need to work out worshipping together as a family. If you attend the later ward after your family attends the morning ward, your kids basically won’t see you on those Sundays. Family first. Callings come and go. I would do what is best for our family in this situation.
If you attend another ward without permission, they might choose to withhold callings and temple recommends. That does take place at times. But I’ve known those who have stood their ground and been allowed the callings/temple recommends. It does complicate VT/HT as far as distances. But you can certainly be very involved with a ward that is a little further than the ward you are zoned for. It is workable and done all the time.
