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  • in reply to: Chronically confused #135122
    Alice
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    Thanks again.

    I think at this point I believe that while the church isn’t all that it claims to be, it is still good and valuable.

    I just trying to figure out what I want my relationship and my children’s relationship to be with it.

    An endless list of pros and cons.

    in reply to: Tradition #135307
    Alice
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    Thanks for all the comments.

    SamBee wrote:

    I think there is an unfortunate tendency these days to reject tradition wholesale. What we should be doing is working out which traditions are worth keeping.

    I’m not necessarily saying I think traditions are bad. If anything I’m understanding why they are important and valuable to many.

    cwald wrote:

    Thanks DA, and want this to become a WoW thread Alice – just using it as one example.

    SilentDawning wrote:

    In Fiddler on the Roof, the main character slowly relaxes his emphasis on tradition until finally, his last daughter does the unthinkable — she marries a Christian, completely rejecting their heritage and all his hopes for his daughter.

    Okay – I think fiddler is a great movie and has some great spiritual messages for those who search for them. What is the message from movie suppose to be? I don’t remember feeling like the daughter was a bad person for her decisions, in fact I was happy for her when she choose to follow her own pathway. Do we really believe that what the youngest daughter did was “bad” or a “sin?” Seriously, was/is it such a big deal for the Jewish girl to marry a christian boy?

    Yes, she abandons her fathers traditions, but I think even in the end the Father realized each of his children have to find their own pathway. I think, at least from my impression, the father, and especially the mother, did not lament in the end that their child was “going to hell’ for choosing that pathway?

    Am I missing something from the movie.

    What I get from Tevye’s response to his daughter’s marrying a Christian is that traditions, even those that are generally uplifting, can be taken to far. I think most of us here have seen that happen.

    It is good to see at the very end that he begins to change his attitude about her.

    in reply to: Chronically confused #135120
    Alice
    Participant

    Thanks for all the replies.

    Teaching will be okay. I can deal with focusing on principles. It just has some frustrating moments.

    I think I’m starting to figure out how I feel about it all. It’s just been a long hard road. I love the church. It made me happy for a very long time. I think that it could make me happy again once I sort out my feelings on a few things, but I’m not sure that it is the best way for me to be happy anymore.

    My inner conflicts arise from my family. My parents and siblings are for the most part TBM’s (Dad’s my Bishop). They of course would be devastated if I found another path. My convert husband doesn’t hate the church, he currently attends (though he skips out on priesthood) and holds a music calling. He just doesn’t really believe a bit of it and he doesn’t have a life time of positive experiences to tie him to it like I do. Honestly I think the church has been more damaging to his personal relationship with God that good for it.

    I don’t know where I want to be. A part of me wants so much for the church to feel like home again and a part of me wants to be able to make a break. I’m not sure what I want for my kids. The standards and expectations of the youth kept me from making some pretty awful mistakes, but I’ve seen the restrictions backfire way to many times. I also don’t know how I feel about my kids learning things that I don’t really believe (at least not in the way they will be taught). I don’t want to confuse them. On the other hand, leaving would be soooooooo complicated. I definitely want my kids to have a church experience and if it isn’t with the LDS church I have no idea where it would be. Thankfully we only have one child now and he’s not even in nursery. I have a little time to figure it out.

    in reply to: Chronically confused #135115
    Alice
    Participant

    Sorry for the blunt ending. My baby woke up from his nap.

    All this is complicated by my Dad being my current Bishop. For now I’m doing everything I’ve been taught to do. I have a calling in the YW’s program and do my best to fulfill it. It is getting harder to teach things I’m not sure of though.

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