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I honestly don’t know if I can say that I have faith in God right now. Maybe part of me does. However, I have faith in myself and that is pretty awesome. You are not alone! I don’t feel like I fit “in” either at Church. However, I thank God that I don’t fit in. I like being me! Martha wrote:Roy wrote:The fourth and final stage of committed relationships is about renewal. Not exactly a renewal of the honeymoon, but a more mature, realistic, and truly loving renewal. We come to accept our spouse or our parents or the Church, and we come to accept ourselves. We allow God to run the universe, and we become more content to let go of things we cannot change. A deeper, more mature love begins to emerge…/quote]
This marriage analogy really resonates with me and I enjoyed reading the concept fleshed out. I have been married for 25 years and have deeply experienced all these stages and am now happily in stage four. It truly was worth all the time and effort we put into our marriage to get to where we are now. It gives me incentive to try and “stick things out” with my relationship with God.
That being said, I sure do miss the honeymoon stage.
I think it is possible to get back to the honeymoon stage in regards to Church, marriage and life in general. I don’t pretend to know exactly how, but I believe humans can do amazing things.
Have you ever awakened in the morning and felt like the grass was greener and the sky bluer? What changed from then to now? I doubt that the grass or sky changed color! I think what changed was how the person interpreted things.
I wan to apologize for my negative post in this thread. I didn’t mean to contaminate people with my negativity. Personally, I have been contemplating the kind of information people share and I should have described things better.
I’m really not too surprised by the 7:00 am meeting on Sunday. Many Mormons have a strong devotion to Church business. Personally, I wouldn’t attend. Sunday is my only day off and I work approximately 65 hours a week. I depend on Sunday mornings as a time to catch up on my sleep. I’m thankful my ward does not meet until 1pm.
While I would never show outward displays of affection in church like kissing, does it seem like this woman is a bit too bothered by this? Just wondering what you all think? Part of me thinks this lady is over reacting, but part of me believes that it is really good to act in a reverent manner in church.
I would like to 2nd Heber13’s advice on reading Peale. I would particularly recommend Peale’s “Why Some Positive Thinkers Get Positive Results”. “The Feeling Good Handbook”, by Dr. Burns was good in my opinion. However, I believe the book by Dr. Burns is more of a book for individuals dealing with depression, mental illness etc.. . I guess it just depends what you are looking for. The only negativity that I am exposed to is the constant negativity I hear at church. The World is an evil place, Satan is out to get you, Gays are bad, your not doing enough for the church, the world is getting too tolerant etc…. . Oh, I find fast and testimony meetings pretty negative too for the most part. Lots of woe is me!
The negativity I witness at church is hurting me negatively. After all, I’m now on a website being negative when the OP obviously wanted some positivity. Sorry! I didn’t mean to contaminate others on here with my negativity.
Regardless of religion, I believe it is no ones business what type of underwear you wear or if you are divorced! Most non Mormons would find this line of questioning bizarre. When strangers at church ask me personal questions, I just tell them that it’s a personal matter.
I’m sorry about you are feeling blue! Depression stinks. Kudos for you getting help and doing the work necessary to help yourself.
I’m sending an e-hug your way! Sorry. Stay positive and hang in there! I’m not gay, but the anti-gay retoric at conference/church bothers me too. It is my personal belief that denying others civil rights based on sexual orientation is a form of bigotry. At church and at conference I would prefer to hear about Jesus, Joseph Smith, The Book of Mormon, The Bible and topics along those lines.
cwald wrote:AngryMormon wrote:… I get nervous throwing the word abuse around in regards to the church. It’s not like we are dealing with the Khmer Rouge or Waco.
Hmmmm?
Is it fair to compare to Warren Jeff s and Ron Hubbard?
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I don’t understand how Warren Jeffs and L. Ron Hubbard got interjected in this conversation. As a Latter Day Saint, Warren Jeffs and L. Ron Hubbard never “abused” me either. In addition, I am friends and work with quite a few Scientologists who I admire and respect, I don’t want to insult the founder of their religion.
Sorry Ray, I know you didn’t want to turn this into an abuse thread. My apologies.
cwald wrote:Old-Timer wrote:The entire organization is not responsible for “serious” abuse – and I hesitate to say it that way. All of us can be and sometimes are abusive to some degree, but there are WAY too many wonderful watchmen/shepherds among us to claim that serious abuse is a natural result of the entire organization as a whole.
Is a church organization ever responsible for its leaders actions and teachings?
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A church organization is as responsible for its actions as are the members themselves responsible for choosing to follow the organization in the first place. It’s a two way street. Just my opinion.
I like what Ray said about the entire organization not being responsible for abuse. The church is made up of people who all are human and make mistakes. Most people I meet at church are genuinely trying to do their best.
No one has ever abused me at church. Maybe pestered me, but that is it. I get nervous throwing the word abuse around in regards to the church. It’s not like we are dealing with the Khmer Rouge or Waco.
I don’t think that you have to believe in all the tenants to teach a Sunday school class. Maybe you should just give yourself a huge pat on the back for helping to teach these kids what their parents probably want them to know. Best of luck!
