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  • in reply to: Prayer language #151913
    ardub
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    I had no idea that “thee” was once considered informal and “you” was the formal. Just another thing that everyone assumes to be true without bothering to look it up I suppose. I find it interesting that this minor issue seems characteristic of the larger problems with Church history/doctrine/culture etc., being that once you dig a little into these things, the underlying facts almost always cast a shadow of doubt on the subject.

    As for prayer language-Public prayers are for the public-it seems reasonable to use the “formal” language if that’s what the group is expecting, otherwise they are thinking about how you said the prayer, rather than its content. However, behind closed doors, so long as the prayer is honest, I don’t see how the pronouns matter much.

    in reply to: What value is LDS doctrine to you? #134858
    ardub
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    I agree with everything Mike from Milton wrote minus the temple ordinances. Aside from my marriage I just have never been comfortable in the temple. Part of that is the fact that my temple pants are too tight ;) , but the whole presentation just seemed lacking to me. Add to that the questions I now have about the origin of the endowment ceremony and the pain and anger that proxy work seems to be causing the descendents of some receipients of those ordinances.

    But the others MIke mentioned, I am totally on board with them, and those priniciples are what keeps me coming to church.

    in reply to: Thanks for being here. #151530
    ardub
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    Hi again.

    Thanks for the words of welcome.

    Brian, your comments on damnation reminded me of what I expected my progression through the gospel would be when I joined. I thought everyone just kept “adding upon” knowledge and testimony and the truly great ones would have visions and their calling and election made sure. Well it didn’t work out for me that way, but I’m still making some sort of progess. In fact, I haven’t been this engaged with the gospel since those early days. By the way, the “How to stay in the church” essay was extremely helpful to me several months ago. Thanks for your work on it.

    SilentDawning, I goofed. The “rules of disengagment” are found on another site, (NOM). But the ideas are set forth in them are all found within the “How to stay in the Church” essay. The most important rule as far as I see it is “Go slow.”

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