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So what of the unchoice spirit children of God? You know us ones that don’t shine, that don’t endure to the end, that don’t meet the quota of good works?…or Lucifer for that matter…. The dark ones that make the light ones shine? the ones destined to outer darkness, the telestial kingdom..you know us throw away Children of God? I agree…I think Leonard Cohen summed it up best in my opinion It’s not a cry you can hear at night
It’s not somebody who has seen the light
It’s a cold and it’s a broken Hallelujah.
It’s those in need of the Atonement that understand and can succor the best. We should not let the dogma of our religion get in the way of being real Christians.
Brian Johnston wrote:
In Reverse: If you are not sealed, you will be alone and/or separated from your loved ones forever and ever and ever and ever… That sounds more like hell than heaven. Better not screw up!
I see it a bit different, coming from my own family…what if you’re family is abusive and neglectful….you’ve forgiven them, but the thought of spending eternities with them would be hell and opting for outer darkness would be like heaven. The only people in my family I want to be around in the next lifetime are my kids…and that’s it.
As for never getting to get married in the temple in this life…I fully believe if a person so desires it they will have the opportunity (both male and female) at some point. Of course I don’t believe God is nearly as harsh as we humans make him out to be.
Forever is a long time to be miserable…I would think a bad marriage just for the sake of being married in the temple and forever would in and of it self be my definition of hell. I have learned in my time here that just because one shares a religious belief with someone is not enough to build a good relationship…it takes a lot more than that. Sure having the same values and religion helps, but it’s not everything.
For example, me I’m a died in the pinko liberal … and I can not imagine ever being married to some one like Dallin H. Oaks or David Bendar….bleh bleh bleh..the fights we would have would be horrid. I respect them as Apostles, but to be married to either of these men would drive us both insane. So yes we would be compatible religiously..but I can promise in all other aspects of life we’d be cinder blocks and apples.
Turin As an older single…and by older I mean early 40’s
🙄 I have the exact same reservations. Once a person hits 30 they are considered too old within the Church if they are single. I hate that. I know people will disagree with me…but where I am at everyone single over 30 (i.e., 30 to 100) are lumped together and mostly forgotten about. In fact they cut our budget this year and our activities.It is very frustrating.
But I was told Saturday to enjoy my singlehood because it won’t last, it might last this lifetime…but I will have forever to be married if I want it. Which made me
:wtf: think…ok I might want to ride the rest of this lifetime out single.:shh: 
😈 Listen, really listen, with out judgement…because all that wander are not lost… Reflect carefully on your answers to their questions..really reflect don’t just spout the same old answers.
Try to put yourself in their shoes…really try.
Be real and genuine in your caring…really do it.
Acknowledge they have questions and it doesn’t make them evil for asking.
Accept that Prophets, Seers and Revelators are human and that every word they speak is not holy scripture and might just be human opinion.
That just because some one is a liberal or a democrat doesn’t make the evil or stupid…(I am serious about this, I know to many inactive members who are democrats that have been driven out of the church due to political views) Learn that political views and Church Doctrine are NOT the same thing.
Learn to separate the Cultural teachings from the Actual Doctrine and live the Doctrine not the Culture
AND
When it comes to hating, gossiping, ignoring, ridiculing, holding grudges, or wanting to cause harm, please apply the following:
Stop it!
Oh and realize the tatooed pierced smoking gang banging hoodlums are just as loved as you are by God. And if they show up to take the sacrament…welcome them with open arms instead of gasps of fear.
Romney isn’t just getting from the Left either…the Tea Party and Evengelical’s are not too found of him either. Our local Tea Party refuses to back him, calls him a polygamous, cult member, ect. I stopped attending meetings they had once they started down that path. And yes I went to Tea Party meetings even though I am a dyed in the pink wool liberal. :shh: Meh…I never have a boring sacrament meeting either…if my mind wanders off, as it is apt too, I tend to put Tetris on silent mode and play or sometimes I get on the net and look up sports scores on my phone. I bet that’s not what Hallstrom was thinking, but I am in church right??? :thumbup: I have two, I wear from time to time. I don’t care what TBM’s think…My father was Catholic, so I consider myself a Samaritan anyway (only half TBM) I know that it would be so much better if I learned to open my mouth instead of just handing off a plate of cookies or a cake. I know of a family in my ward that has a son that is an addict…his family says he has health issues to the ward…but due to my daughter running in the same crowd as the boy and having seen first hand the boy strung out, I know better. I would so like to sit down with the mother and say, you know I understand, I too have a wayward child. But I feel like if I actually did that she would be upset or angry, so fear keeps me from doing it. I know when my son was struggling with friends talking him into doing drugs that I would have given my eye teeth to talk to someone about it, but I dared not open my mouth at church for fear of judgement….yet there are many who struggle with the same issue with their own children. I just think it’s a shame that all we are inclined to do is the superficial acts due to cultural pressure, and that if we were really honest in church and actually suckered those in need, we would be closer to being the gospel Christ actually wants.
Back to the Original Question…He does own the shopping mall…he owns the entire universe and everything in it. I don’t think it’s in his teachings or personality to want shopping malls anywhere.
The bottom line is all He has to do is blink.
Also I am of the idea that He would much rather the church feed and shelter the homeless.
Quote:Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.
That quote is what I thought of during the talk. I think it works if we are active or not in the church. One can be active in the gospel but not in the church…I have seen it many times. I have been helped by barely active or inactive members far more than I have by fully active members. I tend to think all of fringe dwellers hang out together and tend to appreciate the real doctrine of the gospel far more than the culture of the church.
I thought the talks were great, one or two didn’t sit well, but most were exactly what needs to be said…over and over. I actually felt like the GA have been listening to those of us who are on the outer edges of the paper and actually hearing us.
1. Can we justify Joseph Smith’s actions in this case — to use the promise of exaltation or threat of damnation to induce a young woman to become the prophet’s wife? In my opinion no. But I also think that the Bathsheba incident with David was almost rape. If the King wants to bed you and you’re a peasant girl…either you say yes and live or no and get exiled or die.
2. If the prophet asked you to do something you knew was wrong, would you do it? Why or why not?
As onery as I am..yes I’d do it, but I’d do it to such an extreme that it would freak him out…really badly. i.e,…had I been Nancy, I’d said lets do this thing, but said wait we got to get the bananas, chocolate sauce and two other men and four other women dressed as pagens and an artist so we can be painted. Or something so outlandish that it would have freaked him out.
3. Does the word of the prophet absolve you from inquiring for yourself whether something is true? No, we should always ask.
4. What responsibility do you have when you are told by the spirit that the teaching you are being taught is contrary to god’s will? If the spirit told me it was wrong, I wouldn’t do it. Meh really if I felt it was wrong I wouldn’t do it…I wouldn’t need confirmation from the spirit, I don’t now.
5. Is it possible for a man to be called of god as a prophet yet do some things that are completely contrary to god’s will? Yes, they are mortal
6. Does the fact that Joseph Smith had serious human failings make him something less than a prophet of god? It makes him human, just like all the other prophets. Noah was a naked passed out drunk prophet… I like they are more human than we suppose them to be, makes me feel better about myself knowing they are just as flawed.
