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cwald wrote:
-sigh- The mormon people will not listen to their own prophets…and, they have the audacity to call me an apostate.
No truer words right there Cwald….exactly.
:clap: :clap: :clap: My belief in Christ has always been my corner stone…and probably what made me question the whole gospel to begin with. IMHO the LDS church relies far to much on works and too little on the Atonement. Teaches far too much on works and far far far too little on grace. We are brought up to believe that if we do all the works we will make it to the highest level of the CK…which is not true. If we do all the works we can, keep all the commandments, live as perfectly as we possibly can, we are not going to make it to any kingdom anywhere without Christ. And amazingly it was the Tibetan Book of the Dead (Buddhist) that made me really start believing in Christ, that and Buddhist teachings. Yes I believe there is more than one right path to take to find God. I do believe that Christ is a real God who came to earth to bridge the gap. What’s on the other side could be what the LDS church teaches. I don’t think the whole truth has been revealed to us, nor do I think it ever will be on this planet or in this plane of thought because I think we can’t handle it in this state.
There is so much we don’t understand or have knowledge of, and I don’t think we are supposed to have that understanding or knowledge right now. That’s not our mission in this life. We are spiritual beings on a humans mission (Lewis quote I think), learning to be humans. Not humans learning to be spirits. Our job right now is to be human, love being human, and enjoy being human. The rest will come back to us later, after we are done being human.
Old-Timer wrote:Quote:We women can’t even be allowed a strong female role model cause we are such dirty little freaks.
I understand the historical reality you described, but the sentence above certainly doesn’t apply within Mormonism. Just sayin’.
In a way yes…but there is no equal to Heavenly Father for us girls to look up to. We get to become like Christ (a boy). That’s what I’m talkin’ bout.
I like it very much. However,
As someone who is single too, I find it sad that we singles are made to feel less than because we are single. But we can’t not be happy for those who do have a spouse.
That said I am more a
Quote:We were the people who were not in the papers. We lived in the blank white spaces at the edge of print. It gave us more freedom.
girl when it comes to my being single. I like it. Maybe I’ve been single to long. Maybe I’ve dated too many off the wall men. Maybe every time I go through the temple I giggle to myself about the wives obeying the husbands bit…and think loop hole. (yes I think loop hole). But being on the edges does give more freedom, regardless of what some say. I still am happy about those who are in the papers, good on them for making the papers…but I don’t need them to feel sorry for me because I’m on the edge of the print. It’s wildly exciting out here.
Well we women have been cast as the evil ones from the beginning. Poor Adam had to eat the apple to follow dis-obiedient eve…he got the Priesthood, she got the curse. Poor Samson got his hair cut by some trollop…David was seduced by Bathsheba…Emma was chastised to the point of being condemned to hell for not allowing Joseph to marry other women and girls…and Babylon herself is the whore of all whores…So us women being rulers is totally against any patriarchal teachings of God. We women can’t even be allowed a strong female role model cause we are such dirty little freaks. Do I believe the above is true…no. But it is how we are treated in many good ol’ boy organizations.
A Jewish friend of mine explained it this way Imagine if a Rabbi said that Joseph Smith Jr. was now initiated in the Jewish religion now that he was on the other side of death. And because of that his whole life, all the work he stood for and his death are now worthless. She then asked me if the LDS membership would be upset…I said well they’d poop kittens…She said it’s exactly the same thing when members do this to others.
I would think at some point, if that is what both parties want…then yes it can happen. I would suspect it would be during the Millennium. I do not think any blessing will be denied those who seek them…of course I also believe in the power of the Atonement and it being open to everyone not just those who toe the LDS line. Wait wait wait wait wait…I don’t get to become a Goddess..oh wait. 😥 nevermind I’m a single girl… off to the slave quarters for me.Seriously though, I have noticed a good deal of the stuff we used to teach is no longer taught…some of it I am thankful for not being taught. I have to wonder how much of it was just cultural legends and not really doctrine to begin with.
I look at this way…at some point the HG will get a body, I expect it will be in the millennium and just like Christ one of the God head will probably be the father. And I see the HG as the main frame computer and other spirits help with the information dispersed by the Holy Ghost…that way we are all covered. Perhaps it’s the spirits that haven’t been born yet that are still in their first estates that are his helpers…not temptation and pure (ect). Main frame with LAN lines to all of us…my analogy works for me.
Most of the time I don’t worry about it because my mind in this physical state is already pretty weak and forgetful. I can handle some of this being revealed at a later date…I can’t even remember what I ate for breakfast. So with me yes…it is a rather shallow well…in fact I don’t think it’s even more than a shovel divot at this point.
onahighnote wrote:I haven’t taken anything literal in the BofM for years. If you do, there are some difficulties you have to resolve. Taking a step back and looking at the large picture, we see: Nephi lying and committing murder. This is to get a copy of the law of Moses, (something he has no problem violating), so his people do not perish in unbelief. His people later all perish in unbelief. This is after the Jaredites all came to the “promised land” and also perished in unbelief….
Once I started to see it all spiritually, it made much more sense – much like the temple ceremony.
So the common denominator is the law of Moses….good to know if I ever want to start my own group of people in the promised land.
I had to give up on the literalism a while back…started looking at most of it as good moral stories, just like Lord of the Rings…Good valid points of how to live a good life…there is evil out there and sometimes we have to stand up against it. However, I’d be fine if the Elf Lords in LoTR were literally real.
The four noble truths have helped me a great deal. They make far more sense than anything taught in our culture…not doctrine, because I think the four noble truths are actually in our doctrine just over looked. I have to say I have found a good deal of truth in Buddhism. The one that shocked me the most was the Tibetan Book of the Dead…which has a good deal of our temple information in it, even though it is thousands of years old. As for suffering…I take the Buddhist view on it completely…suffering brings us closer to God. Suffering is due to our cravings for outside validation, which never comes, it comes from inside. I think that is the point of the Lotus Flower in the mud, at least it is to me. The flower is a flower and has to know that even though it’s in the middle of mud…it is not the mud. Neither is the mud a flower. Neither is the earth worm mud or a flower. All are important, but we must find what we are, and be that. Only then will be find happiness. It’s our longings that bring us suffering.
There is a difference between being in pain and suffering. We can be in pain and not suffer… And I know that probably doesn’t make sense, and I don’t think I am able to explain it.
I think he would be an awesome Prophet. I see a good deal of changes coming from him already in the church, the softening of certain stances I think are directed by his influence. We need more of him and less of everything else. hawkgrrrl wrote:I thought you were going to go another direction, as I’ve heard from another single 40-something LDS friend that most of the LDS men she has dated (usually they are divorced) are pretty loosely interpreting the law of chastity at this point and have some expectations about free samples (try before you buy?).
Oh I have run into plenty of them…they are a dime a dozen…I had one tell me it’s not a sin as long as we didn’t tell the Bishop and what the Bishop don’t know won’t hurt him. He presented very TBM.
:crazy: But I have come to find that men are men, regardless of membership and priesthood standing, and that is disappointing to me most of the time…I expect Priesthood holders to have a bit more control, and sometimes they do, but usually it’s just a tiny bit. I remember the first time on a date that a TBM made a very strong sexual move towards me…threw me for a complete loop. I was in shock for a good long time after that.:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: <=== my expressions exactly. I have had many non-members do that, but it was so unexpected that I was whaaaaaaaaat????wayfarer wrote:Old-Timer wrote:Santorum?!?! I’m not a huge Romney fan . . . but anti-birth control, “just don’t be gay if you want to serve in the military” Santorum?
I love this country, but sometimes all I can do is shake my head in wonder.
come on over to the blue side…the republican circus is pure entertainment.And we have better cookies
I have always wondered why there isn’t a strong female role model? why is having women empowered such a bad thing? we women get saddled with a ton of things we have done to cause the ruin of a righteous man. In the recent past it was always the womans fault if her and a man broke the law of chastity, the poor priesthood holder was tricked. One of the things that irks me to no end in this church is a woman can not be a queen within her own right…she has to be made a queen by her husband…and then for eternity all she gets to do is have his children? and be nothing more than his helpmate? his second? I think there is so much we don’t know about our Heavenly Mother due to the misinformation of men, the fragile egos of men. And the way I look at it is this…and this might be hard for some to grasp…she was smart enough to get him to do the dirty work, so in my book she’s the real boss.
