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New lesson: nr 17

Missionary work:

http://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-of-presidents-of-the-church-lorenzo-snow/chapter-19-missionary-work-to-reach-every-human-heart?lang=eng

Don’t really know how to tackle that when I haven’t completely rebuild my faith yet. I can testify of things like Christ like love, service. That God loves us beyond our understanding etc even JS in general.. but there are some grey areas here and there that makes it hard for me to accept the white washed missionary presentation… But then again, when you talk about the gospel what would be the point in starting out with polyandry.

Feel free to comment/give hints that will make my listeners have a wider understanding of Mormonism.

Thanks a ton!

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I am currently having HUGE issues with BoA.

I have no problem with the message or anything, but the historic truth claims.

In my brain, it doesnt work out to say yes to BoM and no to boa. I currently just cant grasp that idea. I can easily believe that JS and everyone else is a human being. I can even tolerate polygamy because i simply believe it wasnt inspired and that JS was a very flawed man. I can tolerate peepstones and changes in doctrine.

-But boa is a very big deal for me these days – to the extent that i think about it all the time and it makes my head spin….

I havent really come across any things that could solve the problems concerning tBoA.

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Geeeez – just when i thougth i was out of my faith crisis!!!!!!!!!!! :crazy:

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Thanks Ray – you always have great comments 🙂 I went to Sweden on my mission though… so no reincarnation for me:)

I’ll keep your thoughts in the back of my head as i’m reading the lesson (….now).

Thanks again, and feel free to chime in people! This is a once in a lifetime experience! You have the chance to affect how a priesthood lesson in Denmark is going to be… 😆

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Thanks a lot:)

Any idea for the next lesson?: priesthood – for the salvation of mankind. (Loose translation). Chapter 17 in the snow manual.

Thanks

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That’s exactly my point. I do not care about using masonry in the temple. Not at all.

It’s more if JS sees the masonry rituals. Asks The Lord about it and it is revealed to him that it is a corrupted form of temple worship that he needs to restore. That is more problematic in my book.

– I’ll have to find the actual quote one of these days.. And yes. I did listen to the podcast a couple of months back. Really interesting stuff!

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Ok that helps.

I would still wish they didn’t beat about the bush – but at least I can say the above to people.

Thanks again.

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Thanks a lot for your time. Too bad there isn’t a short (or even a new quote) by FP saying something to the effect that pro or anti evolution doesn’t matter. End of story.

It always seems to be ” pro or anti evolution doesn’t matter…….but don’t believe in it” that’s at least what I seem to read between the lines.

I would love to be able to say in a class that the church doesn’t have an opinion on evolution but if confronted with it, the only official thing I can quote is some lengthy thing that says that for or against evolution is nothing to worry about – but don’t really believe it.

I don’t know – it might be me but that’s the general feeling I get from reading the newest official declaration. And if I get that feeling how will the black/white thinking person read it.

Or is it just me?

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It might be my English but doesn’t human embryo or germ just refer to the sperm cells/eggs?

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Forgot to write how it went=great.

I never really used the manual but felt really inspired when preparing the lesson.

People seemed genuinely interested and it was a great experience. I emphasized that we each have to get our own version of Mormonism in order to be really happy about being Mormon and loosely quoted the Greg prince book on McKay where a person points out that the pres is eating a rum cake and his reply is “well I’m not drinking it”.

Just as an example that we all are different and we find different ways.

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How can we as faithful members best help guiding the church into its new phase (In 20 years I very much believe the church will be different due to everyone knowing more about church history). They are doing that themselves bit I would like to know how specifically they do it in their daily lives as well as on Sundays/talks etc.

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I personally see my garments just as I see my wedding ring. I don’t always wear it but wear it 99% of the time. It’s just a symbol nothing else but it has great meaning for me and I made certain promises that I will try my best to keep. I actually think the symbolism is beatiful. To actually wear a promise that you made. But maybe that’s just me:)

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Great thread. I have been wondering about this problem as well. Thankfully it’s been a while since the missionaries asked us to do any work. An important thing is also to have your spouse know what thoughts you have about missionary work – just to avoid conflict.

I told my wife I could never do a regular “senior mission” – at least not promoting the gospel in the same way I did on my “normal” mission. Not with all the nuances I have in my belief now. I would LOVE to do a service mission later though. Building schools etc.

Well it’s hard. I love the missionaries and know where they are coming from and I love the gospel but I’m a much more “big tent” kind of guy now. I guess I would always love to invite people to Christ and God but not necessarily Mormonism. At least not until the church widens it’s tent and is a bit more nuanced. (Which I really believe will happen in the future if we hang in there and change the church – and our kids who in turn will be leaders).

Great thread!

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Thanks a lot for all the comments! Keep them coming! I’ll describe my own journey later (don’t have time atm). I “broke the ice” and told him I knew about all the problems but didn’t want to discuss details (yet). I didn’t want to go any further (at that point) because I didn’t want the discussion turning into an “anti” vs “pro” church discussion – though I sensed he wanted to. The whole point in telling him was to let him know that he wasn’t alone with this information. That I could totally understand where he came from and that I didn’t want him to think the rest of the family was kept in the dark regarding church history. I also wanted to let him know, I knew the history because it could potentially ease the pressure between my parents. He only talks to her about church stuff and it is always negative and can only take it out on her.

Step 2 could be letting him know that it’s not black and white. I see my self as a stage 4 person but him a very hard liner stage 3. The next step would be to somehow let him see that nuances are possible.

But it’s tricky. The last thing I want to do is to break down our relationship, but still I feel obliged to let him know that another view is at least possible.

Thanks again for your comments and thoughts! Very appreciated!! I’ll tell my story at some point:)

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Ok. here we go again.

Im about to teach chapter 115 in the lorenzo snow manual:

http://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-of-presidents-of-the-church-lorenzo-snow/chapter-15-faithful-energetic-service-in-the-kingdom-of-god?lang=eng” class=”bbcode_url”>http://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-of-presidents-of-the-church-lorenzo-snow/chapter-15-faithful-energetic-service-in-the-kingdom-of-god?lang=eng

faithful-energetic-service-in-the-kingdom-of-god.

Dont know if you have read the article, but if you have, please throw some good sidenotes i can include, to broaden peoples perspectives regarding church (inauguration of the saints)

Thanks a million!

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Didnt know there was a difference, could you elaborate?

Thanks:)

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