[Braeden]

I was looking for a spot to post this because of how big the role of fear has caused this world to go crazy over this virus:

1 John 4:18

18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Remember to help everyone out, show your love so that we can all get through this together!

[Braeden]

I want to think it is, but I also think that it will require A LOT more worldly turmoil and destruction before Christ comes. Just an opinion/guess, Christ will come when we don’t see it coming. That’s why He wants us prepared at all times.

EDIT: 2 Peter 3:10 was the scripture I was thinking about.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

[Braeden]

nibbler wrote:

Braeden wrote:

But have you ever thought that asking for His help, or in other words, only asking Him when you needed His help at that only instance? I think everyone, myself included, sometimes are only asking for God’s help because it is only convenient for us at that very time that we desperately need it.

I’m a little confused by this. Should people be asking for god’s help when they don’t need it?

Considering things from god’s perspective… if someone asks for help all the time I may begin to ignore the requests, “What is it now???” If someone rarely asks for help and one day they ask, I might pay a little more attention, “They never ask for anything, this must be something serious.”

Of course in contrast to that there’s always, “You only want to talk when you need something from me.”

You don’t have to ask help for personal purposes only. You can ask help for others And I think you missed my stance. I am saying that we shouldn’t just ask for help when we have neglected Him, have not been abiding by His teachings, or just asking for help without an effort on our part.

[Braeden]

Cadence wrote:

There was a time where faith played an important part in my life. I would try to exercise faith to know things or to understand things beyond my knowledge. Although I still think it is important to believe you can accomplish things or gain knowledge, I would not call it faith anymore. Faith requires some element of the supernatural. An outside force is going to intervene to effect an outcome or provide an answer.

To have faith as we currently understand it causes me concern. To believe in faith tells me God is arbitrary, intervening for lost toys yet not for much more important things. You could argue God only intervenes when it is important, but that is still an arbitrary decision.

My lack of faith in supernatural forces intervening has forced me to move in the direction of there being no intervention, except in the raresest of rare circumstances where not intervening effects the very existence of the universe. Or maybe God is only able to act on very small things like lost toys. since doing so has little impact on the big picture, thus not causing a disruption in the big plan.

I wish it were true that you could effect outcome by faith, but to many times I have been disappointed that I can not seem to muster up that old style faith anymore. Mental focus and discipline seem to work better to sort out problems than seeking divine intervention, at least for me.

Maybe some of you have a different experience, maybe faith has actually moved a mountain so to speak. I would be interested in how you apply faith to accomplish something more than you can do on your own.

Candence,

Hebrews 11:1 – Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Substance in this means assurance. That is also clarified in the Joseph Smith translation.

I can understand where you are coming from, that God seems/tends to only intervenes when convenient. But have you ever thought that asking for His help, or in other words, only asking Him when you needed His help at that only instance? I think everyone, myself included, sometimes are only asking for God’s help because it is only convenient for us at that very time that we desperately need it. I cannot speak for everyone though, because we are all in different situations, trials, experiences. But, faith has always had the same definition, as clearly explained in Alma 32:21: Faith is a not having a perfect knowledge of things.

Without faith in Christ, we cannot expect to see Him again. Faith is endurance, believing that He will help us in any way that he can.

I recommend reading Hebrews 11, to show the stories of faith that occurred throughout the Bible.

Hebrews 11:40 (last verse): God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

JST of the word God in verse 40: God having provided some better things for them through their sufferings, for without sufferings they could not be made perfect.

We cannot be made perfect if we haven’t suffered. And we cannot endure our sufferings without having faith in Jesus Christ.

I hope this helps. The journey here on earth has its ups and downs, but all God asks of us is that constant faith, that constant reassurance that we do believe in the plan, that we believe in Him and that we will do our best.

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