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Oh, and this idea that gays are sexually attracted to everyone of their same sex is ridiculous as straights being attracted to all of the opposite sex and wanting to [have sex with everyone]. I know quite a few gay RM’s that said that their same-sex attraction was not a problem on their missions. They were not open or out about it then. But, Infact, they had less same sex attraction on their missions and enjoyed the mission they said. Their biggest fear was coming home and being pushed to date the opposite sex and get married. They did not even want to come home. Now, I did have a bi-sexual companion on my mission who hit on me once but we talked it out and she was so embarrassed and felt bad about it and quickly forgave her. My gay son turned down going on a mission because of the stigma he said he would feel from others if it got out. I was thinking the same thing Ray. Sure Oaks knew before hand and since I heard he has a gay grandson, maybe minds will rethink. I just wonder if gay marriage is legal, if lds gay married couples who want to attend church will be given any callings? Or will they still be considered immoral? Old-Timer wrote:bridget, read his talk. He took the extreme position on not supporting same-sex marriage – but he said we need to accept it and be gracious if it becomes the law of the land, and I think it’s an acknowledgment that it will become the law of the land.
That is not a small step for a statement over the General Conference pulpit.
Thanks Ray. I agree that was good.Heber13 wrote:
A few questions for the group:What if you really want to know truth. And in doing so, feel like God is letting you see that some parts of church are folklore and not really as true as you thought? What if you even feel the church is not true, and doubts make you feel there is another path for you? That seems to be the danger people in church worry about when they say:
[How do you distinguish between doubts that are constructive from doubts that could be destructive? Isn’t there risk in doubting?
I really like your questions Heber as I have experienced this personally. Even as recently as a week ago when I got an email from a new bishop who is sincerely trying to get us back to church. When I prayed about it, God led me to listen to some Grant Palmer podcasts and his testimony. It confirmed that I was right in leaving the church and that God led me to the United Church of Christ that we attend now. My marriage, family, and life is so much happier and better since leaving the lds church. That is my testimony.
Old-Timer wrote:The LDS Church does do that – and much, much more – for lots of its members. It just does it in the form of welfare assistance. I’ve received MUCH more than that over the course of my life.
The LDS Church also has been criticized for its distribution of welfare funds in some places – being accused of trying to buy members. If it did this . . . the internet would explode with vociferous condemnation. That’s a guarantee.
I do see some good in this, especially in the general idea and way it was approached (the “heart” and motivation), but I don’t like the idea of a church handing out money outside of need.
Thank you for pointing this out Ray, our family has been recipents of church welfare while my husband was in school and it made a big difference.
That maybe true Roy, but when you see good lds people like Palmer, etc. being disfellowed and excommunicated for such minor matters in comparison to what JS did, it bothers me. I truly believe he was a fallen prophet that God had to take out finally. Specifically, the info I got from Grant Palmer podcasts about how JS was with William Law and his wife, the blood atonement thing where JS had Porter Rockwell, and Jackson (I believe) try to kill Boggs and others. JS and Emma and suducing girls and women, even married ones. Last year my brother and SIL sent me CD’s of the Joseph Smith Papers to help us come back to the church. They did little to answer the questions on polygamy or polyandry. As Grant Palmer said, “He often has felt like Paul Harvey (famous radio person) when Paul would say, “And now, to the rest of the story.” If the church gave the whole story or complete picture, too many would leave. DarkJedi wrote:bridget_night wrote:I like a comment Grant Palmer made about what is ‘anti-Mormon”. He said that ‘anything that is not the truth is anti-Mormon. Unfortunately, that makes the church anti-Mormon at times.”
Are you saying the essays are anti?
No, not at all Jedi…I have not read them and so don’t know, but I do know the lds church has lied about some things and those would be anti-Mormon.I like a comment Grant Palmer made about what is ‘anti-Mormon”. He said that ‘anything that is not the truth is anti-Mormon. Unfortunately, that makes the church anti-Mormon at times.” Thank you so much for all your comments. It is good to have people who really understand and others to give us perspective. This past week I listened to a couple of Grant Palmer podcasts and bio videos. I really respect and like him. BUT, now I am in shock again about Joseph Smith and feel some anger and frustration. How did any of you come to terms with this kind of information?
