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Not the first to link Tolkien and LDS https://www.academia.edu/10177115/A_Latter-day_Saint_reading_of_Tolkien A real interesting thread! I attend both LDS and CofC services, though I only really go to the LDS service because of my wife and kids who still attend there, I drop them off stay for 10 minutes or so then head to CofC, who’s building is conveniently 5mins drive from the LDS Chapel
I have found CofC to be a good place, their theology is so flexible, I get the impression that whatever direction I feel led to they will be there with full support. My LDS friends, while polite and nice to me, if I wanted to get more involved would expect me to confirm to their beliefs and culture eventually. I have a few close friends who are LDS and I love the fraternity that it gives, I spent some time in Utah and Idaho recently (I’m in the UK) and I can see the benefits of the LDS business network, nothing like it really exists in CofC.
one of the things I do is donate money and gifts locally for my wards use. For example payment for a ward activity so it doesn’t come out of the ward budget Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk
Same here big push on missionary work in my reward lots of talks and even a special family fireside when they busted out the preach my gospel manual, plus WML has been swapped out for the “ultra tbm” yes man of the ward Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk
journeygirl wrote:I still feel like it’s being done now because they are forced to in a way, rather than it being put on there because God inspired them to do it. It seems reactionary rather than revelatory.
Same here, and Snow sort of alludes to it in his interview, they are only doing it because they have to… Which is a shame really, shouldn’t they have been upfront in the first place? Even his body language shouts ‘i don’t really want to be doing this’ looking rather shifty….
Something else he said I thought was interesting, he said these are the ‘authorised’ explanations of these issues, so does it logically follow that any other apologetic explanation for these issues are not-authorised, and so are they throwing FARMS and anything else under the bus?
I like some of Alan’s stuff, my all time favorite has to be the ‘why people don’t like us’ one, have quoted it several times… http://puremormonism.blogspot.co.uk/2010/08/why-dont-they-like-us.html mackay11 wrote:I spend too much time in the “bloggernacle.” I sometimes sneak off to the bathroom during work hours to check the boards. I might sit in the car a bit longer before going into the office to “send one more reply.”
I think I may be suffering from the same affliction! I am constantly checking on all the boards, facebook groups, i guess its a bit of a problem. My excuse is that I would say this period is one heck of a show, watching the church morph and struggle with the opening of the history books, grab the popcorn and your smartphone!!
mackay11 wrote:I’m sat, at 00:15, on several Mormon social media, with a massive pile of work to do tomorrow, end of year accounts to write and a wonderful wife who has gone off to bed alone… again! I know she’s getting fed up of my obsession with mormon social media. She stopped attending about 3 years ago, so has been patient with my faith transition in the hope I will be able to reach a resolution.
I am sitting here with a pile of docs to review on the work laptop while i am typing here on my own one, so I can sympathise. I seem to recall you saying you were an IT contractor? Is my memory right???? (I am too BTW – Solution Architect)
if my DW would stop beleiving i think we would attend ‘less’ and maybe try some other faiths (quite drawn to the quakers) but i dont think we would totally disconnect as we are drawn to the community and there are some good people and activities there. thanks for the feedback people, makes me think i am not going crazy… bit more background – so i met with the guy, and tried to keep the conversation on things we could agree on but he was insistent in understanding what i had ‘issues’ with, so i shared that i didn’t think the book of mormon was a historical document, i was carefull to stress that i do accept it as a good and inspired book, and that i think it contained teachings that can benefit me and my family, but his take away was that the beleif in the book of mormon as history is the foundation of everything and if you take that away it all falls apart. personally i feel that says more about the precarious position of his own testimony than mine but i didn’t go there!!!
so i said i was disapointed and that i thought he was out of step with the direction the church is going, and i used hollands recent talks as examples, but his view was the church’s doctrine never changes and so i am mis-interpreting what holland is saying.
i managed to catchup with the stake president and his response was almost the same as the bishops, and he said he has to backup the bishops decision. which is what i expected.
so i am now pausing for thought and considering my next move. i have said that child will not be blessed unless i do it, so its potentially a waiting game. my tbm dw is ok with the situation, but if it drags out she will more keen to get it done than wait. its all good timing though, as if i can get this sorted it will be in time for the baptisim of my eldest child who turns 8 next year, so the ground i am covering now will apply for that too.
Old-Timer wrote:
Seriously, I like this WAY more than an attempt to list every racist statement. This says it’s not important to identify which statements are worthy of repudiation; instead, it says all of the racist ones are, no matter the source.even the book of mormon??
Went well, managed to get in a few plugs for the revelations in context site, and even Quinns origins of power ( I used that for quoute on the original remit of the qof12) Lots of compliments afterwards about how good mixed between comments on the interesting info and also supprise that I would take an assignment….
Been asked to cover 3 subjects Early Converts from Kirtland period who went on missions
The Qof12 who all went on mission from Kirtland
The first mission to England
Going to tackle it like this (i only have 10 mins)
Set a little context, in early 1800’s huge religous fever in New York and Ohio, lots of people looking for churches to get back to new testament religion with lots of sects popping up (and down). Looking to highlight exitement that the church was a part of.
DIscuss a few early missionaries from the ‘Our Herritage’ manual, how they sacrificed, left families and went ‘late’ – contrast that with the missions of today – teenagers going!
Also how Jospeh Smith went to Canada, despite problems at home (children deaths) problems in misourie, and discontent in kirtland
Then onto Qof12 – how it was originally organised specifically just to look after the church ‘outside zion only’ they wern’t just missionaries but overseers of the church where there were no existing stakes. Maybe draw up an diagram showing how it was equal to the high council of the ‘standing stakes’. Going to use a few quotes from ‘thomas b marsh’ about how he was the original leader of the Qof12 due to age.
Then onto mission to england, the challenges and sucesss, and i will mention the first baptisim in england who eventually ended up starting to write the journal of discourses.
a whistle stop tour, nothing too challenging there i think…
I just want to highlight DBMormon’s comments – Brilliant words! DBMormon wrote:
Whoever you are, please call me or email me. I am not in your ward and I am faithful, but you don’t have a clue what is going on here. I have spoken to an apostle and a member of the seventy. They acknowledge the struggle that kristmace has and many many more like him. They would have us know that the worst thing we can do is draw unnecessary lines in the sand and be inflexible to doubts and questions. Read Elder Holland’s talk this past conference. There is a middle ground of being able to wade through this stuff, dealing with doubts, without being looked down upon.
DBMormon wrote:In all seriousness, I would write a few friends of mine who are higher up and simply ask if anything can be done. A few contacts have helped in many a cases
I agree with this, you should make this situation known as high as you can, say you went to a shop and got shoddy service, what would you do? escalate till you got a good answer right????
I do think it’s high time local leaders have a few hard lessons in what NOT to do! Escalate it, as we all know poop rolls downhill!
So here’s my train of thought… Missionaries are now effectively ‘tracting online’ with the members taking a bigger role in teaching those found or reactivated.
Fast forward a few years, the church wants to save a few costs, and so why send these missionaries all over the world when they can ‘tele-commute’ and do the tracting from their own home computer, leaving the members in the ‘target location’ to do any face to face stuff. There are huge savings right there on transport, housing and admin costs. Or even just have ‘missionaries’ concentrated in a small number of global ‘call centres’ maybe one per major territory.
Part of me thinks this is one of the early moves in a long term, cost consolidation programme, as the church knows its numbers are falling and so it’s trying to manage this early doors so the strategy isn’t too obvious to members and so spook them.
