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Thanks Canada- I think that what you said is a great idea. I am normally one to try something I am afraid of so I can overcome the fear. I guess this is one of those things. I will give it a try.
Then I will pray about it and figure out what I am comfortable with and what I think the Lord is going to approve of. But since he doesn’t seem to answer me directly….
Wow…just wow. I was more TBM than I thought.
But here is my quandry. I write out the tithing checks and then they sit on my desk until I know that the account is balanced and that we are not going to end up short. Maybe that is a lack of faith in some way… So then reading all of this and finding that it is the Christmas season so my bank account is in the red anyway I don’t really have an “increase” this month. So that would mean that I wouldn’t pay anymore for the rest of this month since I paid earlier this month and the rest of this month is SHOT.
But I am scared. If I don’t pay the last few hundred in tithing does that mean my check book is going to be screwed up and I will bounce crap all over the place? Will the Lord be upset with me?
This has been a very interesting thread. I am still paying a full 10% on my gross because I thought that in Malachi it stated that we should be giving 10% back to the Lord. But I re-read it and it doesn’t give an amount, just that we should be paying it. Does anyone know if there is somewhere that has the amount specified?
SilentDawning wrote:
Therefore, before I go that route of withdrawing (still a possiblity though, and a good suggestion), I’m considering this — I just read the new CHI and it says the Ward Mission Leader can be assigned to teach the class by “a member of the Bishopric”. I may suggest that we team-teach the class to the WML. If he agrees, I suggest he takes it to the Bishopric member. I think he might be receptive to this based on some other conversations we’ve had. I might take the class two weeks, and he takes it for two weeks of the month to provide variety to the class and a different perspective on the gospel. I still attend the class in all weeks, or go to Gospel Doctrine in the off-weeks if he wants — whatever.
I think this is a great idea! Let us know what you end up doing.
Great suggestions! Thank you! I will give it a go and see how it works out. If it doesn’t then I am sure that I will have a lengthy talk with the bishop about some of this and get myself released or get me a co-teacher (great idea, Heber).
I also didn’t mention anything with this particular bishopric member because his wife is a good friend of mine. She has told me that he gets worried when we do things with our mutual anti friend. So I would hate for him to have any reason to have her not be around me too.
SD, I think the idea of taking the Sunday “off” is a great one, but I don’t know how it would go over with my husband. I am sure in the summer I could plan some camping or something, but I think I would get a lot of crap during the winter.
Canada- Sorry to hear he did that to you. That was wrong. Unfortunately, there are people that think that things should be handled the way they see fit and this is what happens.
Maybe next time you could explain your answers “Yes, that means affirmative”
🙂 I agree with cwald. If it is totally messing with you then get out of it. If it were me, I would approach and ask him about it after a class. Or you could put him on the spot at the end of a class and have him add a few remarks since it appeared he had some comments he wanted to add.
This is exactly why: SilentDawning wrote:The other bit of value in the scriptures is that MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE THEM. So, they have a convincing power that secular material sometimes doesn’t have (although I recognize that to some of us, myself included, certain secular ideas have more convincing power than the scriptures themselves on certain issues).
You have to have something to relate to that is common ground in order for someone (or yourself) to believe that what you felt “inspired” to feel was correct.
It’s like if you say “I prayed about it and I feel as though….” Please don’t doubt you because how can you doubt someone’s prayer or what they feel they received revelation on? I know that we are all here because we have that doubt so don’t go there.
I always felt inferior in class discussions as a kid because I could never relate scripture stories to my life now. I still have that issue (not that I care anymore) and I used to think there was something wrong with me because I couldn’t take experiences in my life and turn them into testimony building stories that I could share with others.
Thanks for the input. I believe that it will be easier as I learn. My husband and I do try to teach the kids to be more tolerant of people and situations than the norm so I will just have to keep that in mind. Here is what shocked me into asking the question. My family wanted a puppy and my 12 year old was really excited about the idea of one. But with me loosing my job at the end of Jan and some medical expenses that are going to need to be met before that job loss we determined that it isn’t the best time for our family to get one. My 12 year old was pretty upset and said something like “Let’s just do it and things will work out! You always say that we can pray about things and it will be OK.”
I shuddered at what damage I had already done. We did talk to them about the fact that money is tangible and you have to have it to pay bills and that “the Lord helps those that helps themselves”. But it just scared me that I have already planted the seeds of hurt for down the road.
Welcome, F4H1! You have come to a good place with good people and sage advice. I haven’t been on here much longer than you, but already it is SO nice to have people that understand where you are coming from and has great suggestions to help you through the spot you are at right now.
Anger is part of how we deal with things that have gone against everything we have ever been taught. So let it out so you can put it behind you. Nothing good comes from holding it in.
How has your wife taken all of this? Is she supportive of you and the things that you are experiencing?
cwald, Ray, you guys kill me!
😆 Enoch, that was a fabulous summation. I think part of me wants the ease of the belief as it was, but I need to just accept it and move on with what I have and with what I will have. I believe that I am at a better spot than I was a year ago. I have a peace that I didn’t have when I was TBM. This IS better.
It sounds like “seal everyone to everybody and the Lord can figure it out later” is what is going on. So, really, is there anything legit about the temple and the ordinances there? If everything is going to have to be sorted out there then why waste the time doing it here (wrong)? In the class they also talked about how the temple work for someone will probably be done multiple times based on someone adding a period to the middle initial or misspelling the name. It just seems that the constant push to get all this temple work done is a little redundant.
doug wrote:
A perfect example of this is the infamous (to me) ‘To the Mothers in Zion’ crap (sorry — can’t think of a better word) that was quietly swept under the rug. In the meantime, lots of people are still wondering what the deal is.What is it? I don ‘t believe that I am familiar with it.
