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I understand going for social reasons, or reasons other than the doctrine. However i do not think you can brush aside all the nonsense the church has been pushing. That does cause real damage in lives.

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Faithful members are finding out what those who left already knew. Less Mormon church is better. When you are in control of your Sundays, not you Sundays controlling you, you tend to be happier.

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I reject a god that uses torture to get what he wants.

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Count yourself lucky you have a spouse with a sexual nature. Maybe all those great years you have had are somewhat attributable to their behaviors before they met you. Dont look down on something that is a benefit.

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If we are going to define faith as something to make us feel good or perhaps the ability to change who we are then I am onboard. Faith essentially becomes a form of positive thinking. I have faith I can lose weight or something like that. This does not preclude divine intervention but it does not rely on it either. Perhaps that is why Mormons or religious people in general are always thanking god for the smallest of occurrences. There is no evidence he did intervene but there is nothing to say he did not.

It is however a watered down version of faith. Perhaps it is the only faith that is viable, since faith in divine intervention is beyond our control and rarely if ever happens.

It would be wonderful to see some old style faith. Something you could attribute to God. Something truly miraculous. Something beyond what we could ever individually or as a group accomplish on our own.

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Not reporting would put other children in jeopardy. Do we risk the safety of others to protect the abuser?

Any entity with money is going to be sued on a regular basis. In general most are just looking for some kind of settlement to alter their financial situation, not necessarily looking for justice. I look at most lawsuits like that. The issue at hand is about money not responsibilty.

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it just seems a little hypocritical to me. The leaders teach to pay tithing above all else and rely on the lord to provide. To exercise faith that you will be taken care of. But sitting on a hoard of money seems opposite of that. If the leaders lived by faith they would funnel that money back into some worthwhile endeavors every year. Then rely on the lord to provide for the future. I can imagine that would seem scary for the leaders to rely completely on the lord to provide, but that is exactly what they ask us to do.

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I wish they would get rid of the practice of assigning talks on general authority talks. It is not helping the perception of leader worship when we act like only they have something to say.

The practice i think was born out of the need they felt to control the message and limit any craziness. Hence why so much has become so boring. Leaders talks are just a rehash of the some talking points. Then we rehash them again in Sacrament and classes.

It would not be hard to get some more dynamics into meetings. It would take leaders giving up some control and let creativity take hold. Something I think will not happen.

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Tithing settlement i gave up long ago. Not a healthy thing to be put on the spot like that.

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felixfabulous wrote:

I wish we’d take President Oaks’ talk a few steps further, we don’t know a lot about the afterlife, we hope that our theology provides we will be with our loved ones there. I wish we’d focus on the here and now; to me, spending all the time and energy approving, cancelling and working through sealings is the kind of minutia that J. Golden Kimball referred to as “sweeping up mouse turds.”

Good point. We do spend an inordinate amount of time in the church fretting over an afterlife we have little to no understating of. Imagine if we put all that energy into fixing the problems of today.

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The church would be better off it it stopped wadding into crocodile infested waters. This issue is a no win for them yet, they keep stirring the pot.

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Since all churches are the constructs of humans you should probably judge success by the standards men set. Financial stability, influence, brand awareness, etc. On those metrics I think the church is quite successful.

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I have always believed if there is any kind of judgement, it will be more a matter of is judging ourselves, as opposed to adherence to some set of predefined benchmarks.

If we feel we are ready to move on we will.

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I am not much of a believer in revelation on these kinds of things. I figure almost all decisions like this come from societal pressure. That said I will give them kudos for moving in the right direction.

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I could easily interpret that to mean how you wear the garment is important. Not when you wear it.

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