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I like beer. I drink it from time to time but never feel I have to have it. For me personally I draw the line at fermented/brewed vs distilled alcohol. They are different animals to me. I would never drink Vodka but wine or beer on occasion seems just fine. In fact as I recall the word of wisdom allows for both of those.
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If you mean creditable in that every word spoke by leaders is from god that ship may have sailed already. But they can be credible as a thriving religion seeking truth. More change would facilitate that. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Some years ago I had decided to live by my own moral compass. I no longer give the leaders much if any consideration. I do not believe they talk to god any more than I do, which is not at all. I stay a member because it is still who I am and I like my friends in the church. That said I welcome positive changes. I do not think we should feel resentful if something good happens. Yes it affected us negatively in the past, but moving forward it can be positive.
I can’t change the past, just live in the future. I would hope we choose to live the best we can.
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Katzpur wrote:Well, since I absolutely hate coffee, it doesn’t matter to me whether it’s made “legal” or not. I just wish I could drink my twice yearly glass of wine without being guilt-laden.
I am there. Never liked coffee but a cold beer on a hot afternoon is sooooo refreshing.
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Old Timer wrote:Quote:However the church does not exercise faith. If they did they would distribute every dollar by year end and have faith the lord would provide for the future.
That isn’t faith. That is stupidity. No individual or organization should operate that way. It is a surefire recipe for disaster – and the Church doesn’t encourage that approach from members, either. They encourage saving and setting aside funds (and food), whenever possible, for difficult times.
Demanding extremes isn’t healthy – by the Church of us or by us of the Church.
I don’t disagree no organization would survive giving everything away. I was just trying to make a point the church should not expect members to sacrifice at all costs and have faith but seemingly not doing the same.
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The churches approach to tithing and investing seem contrary to me. We are asked to sacrifice to pay tithing no matter how desperate financially we may be. We are told the lord will provide. It is an exercise in faith. However the church does not exercise faith. If they did they would distribute every dollar by year end and have faith the lord would provide for the future. I do not think the church can solve poverty or do many things no matter how much money they throw at it. I do agree hiring some janitors to provide jobs is a good idea. In fact they could compensate bishops as far as I am concerned. There are many things they could do to enhance the lives of the members and still hang onto a sizable cash reserve for a rainy day. I just think money sitting in the stock market is not a thing the church should be doing.
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It seems people have been waiting over 2000 years for the second coming. Every generation talks as if this is it. I suspect if there is actually such a thing our grandchildren’s grandchildren will be talking about it. As for me I don’t like the idea of a purge. What do we need to purge? Some people who skip church? Someone with unorthodox views? Their are many good people at church or not at church that do not go headfirst into Mormon culture. I do not think they need purging.
As far as church being easier they have no choice. People today are to independent to informed to follow the old path. I hope it works and the church can remain viable for people, but I give them credit for making long overdue changes
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I think the more coherent evidence you have the stronger your position is. If you have little to no evidence then you are operating on faith. Which is OK just don’t expect others to accept what you choose to believe Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
No garments no temple recommend for about 5 years. Cant say I really miss them either. It was weird at first after wearing them for over 30 years but that did not last long. I go to church with my wife at times, but really do not believe any of it. Sort of like the social aspect of the church however. It would be hard for me to deny something I do not have. I would have to answer I can neither confirm or deny. How about when I took two steps back and looked at it with a little common sense it all fell apart rather quickly. It takes a significant amount of effort to maintain belief but is relatively easy to see the inconsistencies. Where in most of us our salary must cover all our living expenses I am not sure that is the some for church leaders. I doubt they pay for medical care like we do. Imagine being in your 70’s or 82’s and never having to worry about paying for prescriptions or world class medical care. All your travel expenses are covered. You get someone to drive you around, why do you need to pay for a car? I am sure there are many perks. All that said I do not begrudge them the income. I am sure they earn it to some degree. I just personally choose not to support them financially. It has more to do with the policies they perpetuate than whether they work hard enough. For the average TBM I am sure they think they are getting their monies worth.
I voted for Trump not out of fear but I figured he was the most likely candidate in the last 50 years that would actually do what he said he would. Now that may throw fear into some people but for me I want the US to not pander to special interest groups. I want the border to be controlled. I want business to be unfettered to create jobs.I want conservative judges. I want the things Trump spoke about albeit in a rather obnoxious way. I am weary of hand wringing politicians feigning sympathy for the downtrodden whilst running over the middle class. People want to attribute all sorts of reasons why Trump won, but the one they seem to forget the most is people believed he would do what he said and they agreed with him.
Why do we always put labels on people and then try and associate bad behavior to that label. Some people are just idiots, regardless of their belief. It is more like their atheism or religion is an out growth of them not the cause of their idiocy.
