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I saw the movie and I really like it. I am really surprised. It was about good people doing good things and I really connected with that. There was some heart sell tactics but I expected that and the places they filmed at were very beautiful and made me want to go there. I have always been a sucker for mormon movies and even with some of my angry feelings for the church at times I still dig the ideas of what the church tries to teach. If you don’t see it in the theatre try to get at redbox. By the way there were only 6 people in the theatre at the 7:55 show time. My wife has watched me lose my faith and now some of our kids are also going through their own faith transition and I think that her shelve is also sagging quite a bit right now and she really wants to see something uplifting about our church. I hope that when we go tonight that we both come out feeling better. I will let you know what I think. I too miss the feeling of belonging by virtue of belief. It is still my tribe but I am starting to get to the point where I don’t need the tribe to tell me I am good and acceptable. Tonight we are going to see Meet the Mormons and it is something my wife wants to do more than me but I am hoping I can leave the theatre feeling good that the church is helping some of my brothers and sisters in their life. My wife told me she only wants me to go with her as long as I don’t go there looking only for the bad things. I hope I can see the good too and just keep my mouth shut if there is something I find distasteful. SD, I sounds like a really good fit for you right now and I appreciate that you gave props to the PP as I think that the PP is usually not given her due. I know you are also very interested in differnet management styles and how to handle volunteers. I glad you had a good experience. Cadence wrote:church0333 wrote:Why don’t we just read and discuss them in PH and RS and let the chips lie where they fall.
Because the inevitable would happen and many people would have their shelves broken and leave.
They might have their shelves broken and leave but they could do it knowing that the church came clean. I am trying to stick around longer and it would be easier if I felt I could be honest at church and if I felt like the church was repenting from their bad deeds. I have had many people tell me they can live with mistakes but the constant whitewashing and down right deceit is what is causing the most heartburn. The church has things to offer without it being the one and only true church and people need and want a home and that home doesn’t need to be perfect. My ward is like family and I just want a working relationship with a caring community and I don’t need the doctrine to be true to have that.
My sister and BIL had a visit like that with the BP and SP. They were there for over an hour. I don’t know if an Apostle was involved. It would be very interesting to visit one on one with an Apostle but I wonder if the SP was aware that the person being visited was going to ask the leader to explain some of the troubling issues if the SP would avoid that person. It seems to me if there are issues with the truth claims as opposed simple lack of faith, the church isn’t willing to invest much time and energy because there really aren’t very satisfying answers. So what does the missionary department do? If someone has SS tendencies or feelings is it noted anywhere. Would it be acceptable for a mission president to assign two Elders or Sisters to be companions if both has SS attraction? All interesting questions. I have well over 500 post and when I first stated my faith crisis/transition I was on the high council and the new knowledge was consuming me. I was desperate in trying to stayLDS. I read and posted everyday but I have grown tired of all the stress and I have found most of the answers I was looking for. If there is something new then I will respond but I can’t keep rehashing it all over and over. It is too hard. I enjoy many of the regulars here and read and sometimes respond to those that are new but truth be told, I am just tired and have found it hurts too much. I haven’t been posting much lately but it is good to see the friendly banter between a couple of my friends. It is why I keep coming back. I think Denver is a little crazy and haven’t read much about him. If he is a strict follower of JS and what he taught then I am not that interested. I have tried it a few times, different types and I like those that taste like hot chocolate, out of the same dispenser at the gas station as the hot chocolate, but I feel no big compulsion to drink it very often. I don’t feel very guilty but won’t do it with others around. Coffee by itself doesn’t appeal to me much at all. Old-Timer wrote:I’m going to say this directly, but I mean it with sincere love and concern for you – after reading a lot of what you’ve shared since you’ve been here:
You have to learn to be happy inside yourself, or you always are going to be in conflict with any culture in which you live. Leaving the LDS Church or an area dominated by the current LDS culture isn’t going to fix your life. Without coming to grips with yourself, you simply will be in conflict with the culture wherever you go – IF it has any sense of established, expected behavior. Please, focus on yourself and setting proper boundaries for yourself – and getting the professional help you need. Once you begin to take ownership of your own faith, you will begin to find peace no matter where you are.
Good ole Ray, calls it as he sees it. Find what works for you and go with that. I would also add that you can be the friend that someone else needs and it will return to you.
Depression and suicide are tricky topics. My heart goes out to Robin’s family but at the same time I think of suicide just as another means of causing death and death will come to us all. I think that I can speak this way because I have had a sister and a daughter take their own lives and I have had the same feelings myself. There probably is some bad gene in my family that makes it that way. I know how unhappy my sister was and my daughter had spent at least a year asking me to talk her out of ending her life. She had also seen doctors and was taking medication but for her it just wasn’t enough. It makes me sad but at the same time I don’t think that I would wish them back if I could because their lives were so painful and to be honest there were higher chances of them getting worse then there was of them getting better. Death is not something we look forward to for the most part but there are circumstances where choosing when and how would be a much better option for me at least. We all know that there is a double standard. I helped some one move today. It was very hot and a few young men showed up to help also, mostly leader’s sons and they were wearing shorts and tank tops. It wasn’t really a church activity but it does show that boys can wear whatever they want and the parents don’t care because they are not taught to care about boy’s dress standards unless it is a white shirt on Sunday. It is not as extreme as in the Middle East but the same principle applies.
