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Yet how can I determine what is truth (concerning unseen things) without faith. This is the paradox.
Yeah. That has me thinking overtime tonight.
😯 Quote:Personally, I think many Muslims are just as faithful as any Christian but at the same time I assume that much of this is actually faith in false concepts.
Yeah I agree. Think about this — many in my own family would say that I DON’T have faith because I don’t interpret the gospel like they do. So, in essence, they would agree with Mr. Cadence because they assume that I’m “delusional” in my beliefs. I would disagree and say I have a lot of faith. I don’t necessarily agree with all their interpretation of “truth” either, yet I wouldn’t say they don’t have faith.
Great talk! I had not heard of this one before. I’ve always known this kind of thing was out there in the church — but didn’t really know where to find it until I started following these blogs. Thanks One of my least favorite talks of all time. Caused me some gray hair. When my oldest daughter turned eight, my in-laws wanted to come out and be part of the baptism. We live about 800 miles from our closest relative. So was twelve of them that decide to drive out here to Oregon, and they give us a weekend they could make it. We also live 120 miles from from the closest baptismal font. So we ask if we can baptize her out here where the branch members live so they could be part of it, and this would have been our first baptism in the branch — EVER. The answer – “No way.” Okay, so we say fine, we will all drive up to the Stake Center, but would it be okay if we have the baptism on the weekend that the family can get a couple of days off work so they can be part of it. The answer – “No way.” I pointed out to the SP that we have baptisms in the stake on different weekends and even weekdays, and that they baptize people in the Deuschute River all the time. He says “they only do that with new converts, and that no baptisms of record will be allowed except on the first Saturday of the month at the Stake Center. No exceptions.” I felt pretty burned and a little bit bitter I admit, some of it was directed at Mr. Packer. My father-in-law, who is actually a Bishop from Utah, suggested that we just wait a year and then baptize the kid — which would make her a convert baptism and not a baptism of record. So that’s what we did. Four months after she turn eight and several “conversations” with concerned church leaders about the “spiritual welfare and eternal salvation” of my daughter (I honest to god think they were afraid she would get in accident and die unbaptized 😮 ), the SP called our Branch Pres and gave us permission to go ahead and let us plan the baptism as we saw fit.
Quote:If we listen closely to what they are saying we will recognize that they are not preaching what so many of us dislike in the church.
My sentiments exactly — it was nice to be able to just sit and enjoy the message. I really believe the message from SL is changing/has changed, NOW, if only the membership will listen. PLEASE!
I appreciate the responses to this post, as this is one of the questions I have been dealing with for years. I’m new as a poster, but have been reading your site for many months. thanks for your honesty. Quote:I really felt Elder Packer’s talk in General Conference today and then others that followed focused a lot on the importance of the family, and the church is there to support the family, not dictate to the family or take away parental responsibility to teach the family.
I agree and this is well said – and I hope this is the position that stakes and wards will take. Let me raise my kids, if i need your help, I’ll let you know. The church programs are designed to help support the family—-not the other way around. Am I crazy or is this the way it’s suppose to be? I feel like the church preaches this, but then the stake and ward does just opposite. I’m new to your blog, but have followed you website for over a year. I appreciate this site and how it helps folks like myself
