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So sorry Ray. Positive thoughts, virtual hugs and a virtual casserole sent your way. We’ll be thinking of you. In our ward it is 3 months. Not sure if it comes from the stake or not. There isn’t back pay…3 months from visiting with the Bishop. How about the ward choir singing “Praise to the Man”. Youth speaker 1- Abrahamic Covenant and 2- Priesthood. Woman speaker on the Proclamation and attack on the family with a touch of Stripling Warrior. Not a great Mother’s Day here but we actually have never had one that I could remember. No Primary kids singing was a bummer.
My issue isn’t so much with cleaning the building but in our ward they want you to show up at 6:30 am on Saturday. I thought it was just the one guy giving assignments but it has been going on for several guys now. They assign the weeks as well. Two of our leaderships favorite words are “coerce” and “guilt”. That was not an exaggeration. I have heard several times in meetings. I don’t know John Dehlin but I do know where he lives. Local leaders for him would tough. I don’t know exactly the circumstances or details he is referring to, but in this area there is a mentality to “fix them”. If you can’t be fixed then you are at danger of hurting others. I can totally see them being done with him. Especially if they have read or heard any of his stuff…in my opinion of course.
Love, love, love your post. So much of what you received in the temple I feel and “know”. Peace is coming for me. It is a journey. Thank you for sharing this! The fact that our area would think there is a problem that needed a FAIR explanation would be enlightening. I would have to go- my inquiring mind would need to know. mom3 wrote:Curtis – for the most part I see life that way, but my local area seems to be moving toward the more militant style and it saddens me. I see certain shifts and have hope in time that a more Christ/Universal voice will win. This week just happened to be a week like no other. I made it through General Conference better than this week. It is still the religion of my heart. If I did walk I don’t think I would try to replace it. I just miss it’s glorious possibilities. I see it and hear it, and can pluck out it’s potential in church leadership. It’s just not the prevailing one right now.
Bad, bad, bad, bad week all the way around. I live in a brutal area. I love how you said it is the religion of your heart. I feel that as well.
It is difficult to read and research, ponder and feel like I can handle things and turn around and need to start all over every. single. Sunday. Or not just Sunday, the “love bombing” is worse than the Sundays.
Thanks for this thread. If anything, I don’t feel alone.
I loved the topic threads Curtis mentions. I have read and reread them often. There is some great comments and lots of insight to ponder on. My recommend expired this past fall and I haven’t been back in to renew…long story.
Welcome and good luck!
Cadence are you by chance an engineer? Your discussions mirror so much of what my husband says. I find it interesting that my favorite stories in the bible are the parables. I like the ability I have to put myself in that place and it is nuanced to some degree. My husband has never liked these as much. He likes black/white and needs logic. Everything can be solved in a logical fashion. I guess I am not logical and see what good can come out of the story, not so much if it could happen.
Curtis wrote:For me, the mythological or figurative often is more powerful than the literal, since I have more freedom within the first category to find meaning that resonates within me, personally. I’m not confined by what makes sense to someone else.
Much more articulate as always.
Cadence wrote:Most of them having no support other than their opinion. But pre existence, agency and the whole plan of salvation are so integral to the narrative that they have to be fact in order not to have a brain spasm
Ha ha…I can see it now, the brain spasms all over the place.
I did hear a new one I had never heard regarding the pre-existance and creation yesterday. We had a HC speak in SM and he feels that the feeling of deja vu we experience is often because we created this part of the world or we walked there in the pre-existance. Never heard that one before. Did that happen to come up for anyone else?
mom3 wrote:The purpose of this site is to STAY lds. Whether in your heart or your actions. We can do this. We aren’t the first group to go through this. Think of all the Sunstone and Dialogue people – they didn’t even have the internet. Some of them even lost their standing in the church – Euguene England, Leonard Arrington, but they kept their hope up. I want us to look to the sun. And not let the storm win. Pull in our sails, ride it out, and keep on course. That was the intent of my first post.
I didn’t take your comment as insensitive but this will be bad for our little corner of the world. I already get to hear comments like, “grateful for our prophet of the ward” and “people who are ‘offended’ just aren’t as close to God or Jesus Christ. Satan has his bands on him/her”. We are now officially on the radar here and out of every stupid thing that has gone on, we are “offended”. Never mind the 1000 times I showed back up after being reamed in a Ward Council or accused of questioning authority.
mom3 wrote:Or as Hawkgrrl suggested observe people anthropologically, see if you learn about them, without them even knowing. Last of all there is Candy Crush, always a winner.
This does help but it is tough when the ones you struggle with the most and I would consider the least open to human difference are in leadership in the ward and the stake.Candy Crush….I have seriously worn out my phone.
All that being said. I am okay with my place in God’s eyes and I just took my power back from those pharisees! I am the one driving my boat. I am envisioning the scene from Forrest Gump when Lt. Dan is on the shrimp boat yelling at God in the middle of the storm. Only I am in his place yelling at the storm(jerks at church). I feel better. Thank you Mom3.
mom3 wrote:We aren’t the enemy, we have tons of support material, even before the essays to peaceably participate and be unthreatened.
The sad part about that is in some places, even with material and such, we are the enemy. I am the enemy here.mom3 wrote:None of this has anything to do with being kind to my fellow man, or forgiving those who hurt me. I’ve got plenty to work with.
Amen and I will keep reminding myself of this…every. single. week.
