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Very interesting. I was always taught that the Deacon and Teacher positions were the levitical priesthoods for reasons that they would assist the priests in service of the Sacrament and other duties within the church.

It should be noted that I was also very confused about Jesus creating the earth and that Jesus was God. To this day if I over think the situation I confuse myself. Some of the comments I hear in church on the subject matter gets everyone confused. I think it all depends on the wording of the scripture and who is teaching for it all to make sense.

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I read the portion of your blog that you linked me to. An interesting and very well thought out post. I suppose the biggest hang up for me right now is what is the kingdom of God and how do I seek after it? When I was a TBM the answer seemed so easy. The kingdom of God was the churches and Temples that would be used as vessels to launch me into heaven. that is what I thought whenever I would go to the Seattle Temple for Baptisms for the dead. I think mainly because the Seattle Temple always kind of looked like a giant spaceship to me. The fountain looked like giant stairs that lead to this giant

spaceship.

Now things are different I no longer see the church as the kingdom of God. I feel closest to God or what I feel as God when I am in nature. When I am either surrounded by trees, up high in the mountains or surrounded by water. I feel closest to God in these places.

I think the real answer lies in the song Welcome to my world. I prefer the Jim Reeve’s Version best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOCCvN8YDuc&feature=fvwrel” class=”bbcode_url”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOCCvN8YDuc&feature=fvwrel

In one of the Bible helps from the church book stores basically says that the scripture means that there is some required effort of asking, seeking and knocking. I no where to go to ask, and I have my own places to seek and my own ideas of where to go where to knock. Those places I shall go. Those places are outside of church and I shall make it a point to go to those places. My idea of God is probably much different than some others. My idea of where to go to seek and knock will be different than others. It is my own way and my ways are not your ways and my thoughts are not your thoughts.

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yeah I remember the temple trips. Up here in the Seattle area it was usually once a year for the youth.

It was considered a huge deal in the gossiping circle of who wasn’t going.

I think my home ward was worse than most wards when it came to gossip. Since it was just a yearly trip people remembered who didn’t make it. 9 months later there is a new baby in the ward and the gossipers wills say ” OH well no wonder why S/HE didn’t go because they were SINNING!” People would think back to others who didn’t go and think say ” Well I wonder if those other kids were DOING the same thing. Maybe they just got lucky this timeGADGET NEXT TIME NEXT TIME!MEOW!!

As if the only reason why a youth wouldn’t go to the temple is to Sin.

Why don’t the youth go to the Temple Could it be

MMMMM STATAN!!

Simma down NA! church lady that’s not the only reason.

It is unfortunate that people do think so black and white. Those of us who dare see things in color end up on websites like this :angel:

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This is an old joke from back in days of elementary school. I have edited it slightly for the sake of flowing story line and keeping this up to the times.

It was a Thursday night in the Apple residence and everyone couldn’t wait for Friday night to start the weekend. The mother of the house was stressed and had a migraine. The father of the house was looking over the coupons in anticipation of Saturday shopping. The oldest girl was on the phone talking with her friends. The youngest boy of the family was watching a Batman movie marathon on T.V. The middle child brother was trying to study for his vocabulary test but forgot all of his spelling words and couldn’t find them. He studied with all the members of his family so he figured that all of them should at least remember one of the words.

The young boy first went to his mother’s room where it was pitch black and said “Hey Mom do you remember my 1st vocabulary word? The mother stressed and in pain replied SHUT UP! The young boy shrugged his shoulders and wrote it down. Next the boy went to his older sisters room who was very much consumed by her phone call and really never noticed if someone else was in her room. The boy asked ” Hey sis do you remember my 2nd vocabulary word?” Not noticing her little brother the sister carried on with the conversation saying Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Who Cares The little boy shrugged his shoulders and wrote it down. Next the boy went down to the room where the kids watched T.V. He saw his little brother with a blue pillow case around his neck running around with a jump rope as a Batman movie payed on the T.V. The older brother asked ” Hey little bro do you remember my 3rd vocabulary word? The younger brother looked up grabbed his pillow cape case and whirled it around him and said I AM BATMAN! He shrugged his shoulders and wrote it down There was one word left. The boy went to went into the living room where his father was looking at the newspaper coupons. The boy asked “Dad do you remember my 4th and final vocabulary word? The father so very consumed by looking over the coupons said allowed HMMM Toilet Paper for 25 cents The boy shrugged his shoulders and wrote it down

At last all of this vocabulary words had been written down!

SHUT UP! Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Who Cares I AM BATMAN! HMMM Toilet Paper for 25 cents

Friday Morning the teacher thought that she would be nice and have a group verbal study session of the vocabulary words. She called on the boy with his newly discovered Vocabulary words and asked ” Could you please tell the class what the first vocabulary word is?” The boy looked down at his sheet of paper and said “SHUT UP!“

The teacher was shocked 😯 and said How dare you say that to me! you want to go to the principal’s office? The boy in a panic looked down at sheet of paper and named off his next Vocabulary word “Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Who Cares”

The teacher got really angry at that point 👿 and she shouted “YOUNG MAN GO TO THE PRINCIPAL’S OFFICE!”

The boy leaped out of his chair with his vocabulary words in hand and ran to the principal’s office.

The Principal was on the phone and he could hear the angry voice of his teacher on the other end. The principal hung up the phone and said ” Young man I just got off the phone with your teacher. You were very disrespectful. You told your teacher to SHUT UP! Just who do you think you are?

The boy in a panic looked down at his vocabulary list and said “I AM BATMAN!”

The Principal with a very disappointed look on his face said ” Another joker to grace the halls of this school I see. Young man do you have any idea what it takes to run a school? Do you have any idea how much time and effort must be put in by all the staff and faculty? Do you have any idea of how much it costs to keep this school up and running? Do you even have any idea what this School is made out of?

The boy in a panic looked down at his spelling test and said “HMMM Toilet Paper for 25 cents“

The Principal wasn’t really sure what to say. He assigned the kid Saturday School. The boy later became king of the BREAKFAST CLUB! He made sure that he could do anything to go back on Saturday and reclaim his thrown.

That boy was ME! :wave:

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I said a very short prayer the other night. I prayed for energy to complete my goals to join the Navy and to have the ability to do well while in its domain.

Normally I would graciously ask for things but this time I basically demanded it. I don’t feel there is anything wrong with this.

There are many portions of the Bible that encourages asking for things in prayer.

Mathew Chapter 7:7 is an example

LDS.org King James Mathew wrote:

7 ¶Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

If you want to see how it is worded in other version of the Bible I would suggest going to one of my new favorite websites.

http://bible.cc/matthew/7-7.htm” class=”bbcode_url”>http://bible.cc/matthew/7-7.htm

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You shall have to let me in on what your internet abbreviations mean.

No I don’t feel guilt over sexual thoughts and feelings. It is in general nature to have sexual thoughts and feelings. All creatures of the world have sexual thoughts and feelings.

At this point in time I don’t really feel like a strip club is evil. I would see nothing wrong with a wife letting her husband see some girls dance around a pole. In exchange she gets to go out to see the Chip N Dale dancers or a male strip club.

I’m just kind of looking back on my life and seeing that I have been sheltered and that I’ve stayed too long.

My father had quite the temper growing up. He seemed to enjoy belittling people. He was verbally abusive and sometimes physically abusive.

I slowly began standing up for myself my final year of High School. On the day of graduation he was being a complete douche to me. It was a day of my celebration. I went into my room not to cry or pout but to try to tame the inner beast. He pushed me a bit further and that inner beast that I tried so hard to keep caged up unleashed. I forced him out of his chair I pushed him against the wall. I slammed his head against the wall. When He began to turn around I punched him as hard as I could and he went down.

You see he didn’t take his diabetes seriously, which is partly what I felt caused him to have such mood swings.

As time went on things got worse. He would yell and belittle people in the house. He would cause my mother to be in tears. I would intervene and sometimes the intervention was not pretty at all.

He thought that being Mr. Ex wrestler and boxing star meant that he could take anyone down. He enjoyed running his mouth. I gladly warned him and tried to remind him of our past encounters but I don’t think he remembered those. I told him to knock it off or that I would knock him out. He would say ” yeah lets see you try.” Other times he would say ” Yeah I’ll give you a free one.”

The Free ones I always gladly partook. With him stunned :crazy: and googly eyed I gladly took another and another and another until he was down!!

We had our share of fist fights and I always ROSE UP VICTORIOUS!! 😈

although there was that one time that I underestimated his ability to throw a decent punch with his left. A tooth on my right side is now slightly bent and chipped.

I being a southpaw gave him some quick right jabs and a strong LEFT CROSS TO FACE and he went DOWN!!

The bigger they are the harder they fall!! :lolno:

when he was down I would stand and wait for him to get back up and look for signs if he wanted to still fight. If he wanted to still fight then we would continue but if not I would leave him be.

Sadly my Dad doesn’t remember any of this. I gladly reminded him after he had his weightless surgery and started to take his diabetes seriously.

I told him that I wanted to go into the Navy. That it seemed to be the right thing to do. I said ” you know I wanted to do this for many years now. I honestly stuck around here and see what the local job market could do for me. I stuck around to protect the rest of the house from you. If you ever call me names, belittle me, call me worthless sack of :shh: ever again I will gladly take revenge of my bent chipped tooth. I won’t stop at just knocking you down and out. NO I will keep hitting until I see you spitting teeth!”

After that our relationships seems to have gotten better oddly enough. My dad spoke to my mother and asked about the comments and the fist fights. My mother of course nodded and said ” Yeah you two were at each others throats for a couple years and

Old-Timer wrote:

Iow, in the end, this should be a positive process of understanding, not a negative process of rejection – and recognizing that the positive approach takes longer than the negative approach is an initial step.

High, in the beginning, GreenApples was born of rage. The rage grew strong and became his ally. He brought order to the lands of the orchard. His time upon the tree has been overspent and must leave the lands of the orchard. To the mighty farmer that was meant to tend his tree? Where was he? Was he feeding me? Did he give me the gift of rage? Am I honored to be part of the left hand GOD!! Am I a modern day Van helsing! All this is a mystery though the mighty farmer called God seems to work his farm and orchards in mysterious ways I’m told. The Rage gives desire and the rage creates goals. Perhaps the long positive approach is good for later or perhaps it is a different path for another. For now I stick with the Rage.

GREEN APPLES∞RED CROWN

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I got this off.

BrighamYoung wrote:

Aug 5, 1855 – Brigham Young tells apostles that after final judgment those consigned to terrestrial and telestial kingdoms will “eventually have the privilege of proving themselves worthy and advancing to a celestial kingdom but it would be a slow progress.”

It is kind of sad that the church seems to have stepped away from this teaching.

I suppose a slow progress in the eyes of eternity could be many hundreds, thousands, millions or billions of years.

Even if you had to wait Billions of years it is a more comforting feeling that one could eventually get the highest degree of glory.

They should bring this teaching back but just reiterate the slow progress part.

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Some people feel the need to create a re-introduction and that’s fine. I however prefer to just add to what has been said earlier that way I could look at what I had written and see kind of a time line as to where I am at now.

There was once a time that I thought I was a Fowler Stage 4 that was well on my way to stage 5.

The reality of the situation is I can’t progress in my home town. I can’t progress hanging out in my parents basement.

I think in some ways I might still be partly in stage 3. I will still sometimes pray and hope to get an answer. I don’t usually address God as God or Heavenly Father. For the most part I don’t pray. I honestly only pray when I am in nature. Sometimes I just pray to the energies of nature. I try to really breath in and become part of nature when I am surrounded by it.

Even if I am slightly stage 3 I feel that I am very much in stage 4.

I find myself rather annoyed with so many people at fast and testimony meetings. I am annoyed with people claiming to have knowledge of things they actually have faith in. I am also annoyed with boastful stories of how much better they are than their NON member friends because they have the TRUE GOSPEL in their lives.

You know I am actually jealous of my NON member friends. I am jealous of my former high school class mates. There are people who make a living bar tending, delivering beer. There are plenty of people who make plenty of Money because they are willing to go the extra mile on Sunday and get that overtime pay.

Looking back on my life I feel that I have totally lived a sheltered life. I always thought that beer, wine, whiskey, dance clubs, strip clubs, casinos, Coffee, tea AND MUCH MORE!! were soooo evil!!

I thought of this today when I some random cop movie on T.V. and there was of course a few naked lady scenes and a strip club scene.

I have never gone to a strip club in my life. My final year of High School there were a group of guys who used to go out to a strip club every Friday night when I was in High School. I was 18 and totally could have gone. I was invited to go so many times. an 18 year old with an I.D. could get in but we just couldn’t order alcohol. I didn’t participate because I wanted to make sure that I was worthy to be an unpaid priest in my church.

Where the hell have those decisions led me? It led to a path that made me overly sheltered and overly shy. For the sake of trying to be worthy of priesthood I have taken all my relationships overly slow. Within the time that it would take me to have a first kiss most couples would be having SAFE PROTECTED SEX!

I turned down Sex so many times my final year of High School. There was just something SEXY about a super senior. Aside from that some of my classes were general education courses opened to all grades. Some of the 10th grade girls who had just turned 16 (Age to have the right of consent) Wanted to have age 16 truly be sweet with sexual freedom to any guy that they felt was kinda cute.

I turned it down because I wanted to be worthy to be an unpaid priest in my church.

Granted there was an issue with teen pregnancy at my school. Perhaps in someways I feared that this would happen to one of the girls who wanted to experience certain pleasures with me.

Aside from that I feel that maybe if I would have just said YES and made sure we were extra safe with some really good high end protection it would have loosened me up. It may have opened my eyes to certain things. Maybe I would have had enough sense to have stood up for myself earlier in life.

All of that is in the past though.

There is too much anger and too many reminders of betrayal of former friends, fights with family and great disappointments from former local church leaders.

Within me is a great deal of rage. A walk in one of the local parks or a trip to the Puget sound or Ocean can help some. It isn’t enough though.

My current situation kind of sucks. I don’t have steady work. I am holding onto $25 and a gift card to Red Robin (YUM!) gift card for a rainy day.

I attend church but I don’t feel that I totally fit in for reasons that I don’t truly believe. I can’t stand certain people and try to avoid them. I have grown tired of being a home teacher. I have grown tired of so many people who see me as a spiritual giant with answers. All I have done is listened and given personal insights and shared thoughts on certain Psychological theories. I am not a Psychologist and I am not a Bishop. I don’t want to be the go to person for spiritual or psychological needs.

I am tired of all the unpaid service. If I was a Psychologist I would be educated enough to maybe actually help. I would be paid for the time I spent with these people.

If I am supposed to be blessed for giving up so much time with these people THEN WHERE THE HELL ARE MY BLESSINGS!?

If I was a Psychologist I would have made thousands of dollars for the hours that I spent with these people. Where are the thousands of blessings that I am supposed to be getting?

I am going to pray tonight. No more of this please bless…

NO!

I demand that I get blessed! I paid my dues thus far and when I had a steady job I paid a little more than 10% It is my turn. I need a blessed vessel to take me out of my current situation and out of my current living quarters and into something better.

If the Mormon God refuses blessings then I will start praying to another God that WILL!!

GREEN APPLES

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Here is a story that I just heard involving an airport and dog. A few things I added for the sake of giving the story a little extra happy flavor.

An airplane had just landed at the airport. The luggage was carefully being unloaded by the airline workers. They began unloading the animals that were in pet Kennels. They noticed a dog that appeared to dead. They opened the kennel and verified that yes the dog was in fact dead. The workers were worried and wondered what they should do. By sure luck there happened to be a stray dog of that exact same breed walking by. They took out the dead dog and put it in the airport dumpster. They put the stray dog in the Kennel.

The airline workers proudly presented all the animal kennels to the rightful owners. A little old woman looked at the dog kennel and opened it. Out came a happy dog wagging his tail ready to go home. The old woman began to frown and shouted “THIS IS NOT MY DOG!”

The airline workers with a pretend shocked look on their faces said ” What do you mean surly this must be your dog. It was in your kennel and it seems to be happy to see you.”

The old woman looked at the airline workers sternly and said ” This is not my dog. My dog was dead and I flew him with me here so I can bury him in the pet sematary just down the road from my old farm.”

The workers very quickly ran down to the airport dumpster and retrieved the dead dog. They quickly put the dead dog back inside the kennel.

The old woman gave a slight smile to the ashamed airline workers. She then asked ” Where did you get this other dog.”

The shameful airline workers looked at the old woman and said ” Well it was a stray dog. It had no collar or tag. We thought something bad had happened to your dog during the flight so we tried to pass this dog off as your dog.”

The old woman laughed. smiled and laughed 😆 She then said ” If you can find me a collar and leash for this dog I will gladly give it a home and I will forget this whole incident ever happened.”

There was no pet store in the airport however there was a S&M costume shop just outside the airport. The airline workers ran into the shop and found a lovely leather leash and collar for the stray dog.

The collar was just a perfect fit and the dog was happy to finally have a home. The dead dog was buried at the pet semitary. the old woman flew back home with her new dog. Just before she boarded the plane she saw the airline workers and said ” The next time I bring a dead animal to bury please don’t try to replace it with a live one.”

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When I first saw this topic my first thought was to not bother to post. I know some other singles have posted. I really do feel like this topic is really meant for those of us who are not married.

Personally I wanted to be further along in life than I am right now. I wanted to have a job that allowed me to have my own apartment with no roommates. I wanted that first bachelor’s pad apartment to eventually convert into the first living quarters of Mr. and MRS. Green-Apples.

I tried a few different jobs some didn’t hold. Others were temp jobs but nothing that really could turn into a career. I mainly went to college for a bit mainly to find myself. I have an idea of who I am but I really don’t see that I have reached my full potential. I have partly finished degrees and partly finished certificate programs. I personally felt totally burnt out and decided to take a break to find myself elsewhere.

I still don’t have that job that allows me to have my own apartment with no roommates.

Currently in my parents basement until I head off to the military.

The reality of the situation is I don’t need much to live, however I currently don’t make enough to support myself a wife and kids.

There are single men out there right now that might have the ability to pay for a place with a room mate. They don’t have a means to pay for themselves, a wife and a kid.

There are plenty of people in my singles ward that are in their 30s. Some of those people might in time transition into the mid single adults or standard Single Adult programs for all ages.

The sad situation is that it is risky business to get married and be somewhat comfortable. Yeah sure we could always go on church welfare or government welfare for a time. Personally for me I would not want to do that. Neither would the other guys.

Some of the girls make more money than their boyfriends. Although it is considered okay for both newly weds to work there is still the pressure for the man to be the bread winner of the family.

There is that extra pressure for the woman to be the housewife. There is a double standard for women. The church says that women should become educated but don’t have a career your career is to be a wife and mother. I feel that there are many younger career women in church today. They are not yet ready to give up their business card. Many of these girls go into hair-styling, teaching, they go into the medical field or do something else that creates a fair amount of money for them. They know that marriage means children and they will have to give up their work for at least a few years.

Guys don’t feel that they are making enough money to support a family. Girls don’t want to become a housewife just yet.

The average age for marriage in the United States is 30 – 35. I honestly don’t see anything wrong with that. I think there would be less divorce if at least the men waited to be a bit older. At the age of 25 the frontal brain lobes are developed more. If the church culture transitioned into “lets not even think about marriage until 25.” I think there would be healthier marriages and less divorce.

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I don’t shop every day anyway so It’s not a huge inconvenience for me to not shop on Sunday usually.

Although back when my singles ward used to have little potluck dinners on Fast Sundays I would sometimes buy something for the dinner.

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SilentDawning wrote:

Yes. I agree with Inquiring Mind on this. Bruce R McConkine in Mormon Doctrine distinguished between prophet large “P” and prophet small “p”. I do think Ray, the question is a good one — I’ve wondered how the Q12 and FP view themselves given the actual limitations they know exist on their relationship with God, and oft-times huge expectations of the members that they are supernatural, have seen Christ, etcetera. The fact that we are told in various conference talks not to ask about their special witness further throws more fuel into the question.

I recall as a youth being told the story of Lorenzo Snow. He saw Jesus in the Temple.

I recall a Sunday School teacher who was once in the Stake Presidency. Since he held positions at the Stake level I basically thought that everything spoken was gospel truth. I remember he made mention of regular interviews and check ups on the ward and Stake members. He felt that Jesus himself would appear to the Prophet on a regular basis and have a full on check up interview.

There was once a time that I truly believed this. Deep down there is a portion of me that would like to believe this.

If I were to rank my current belief scale of the church on a scale from 1 – 10 ( 1 being it is pretty much not true and 10 being t’s totally true) I would give myself about a 3.

That is enough for me to kind of stick around. It is also enough for me to have some appreciation for the stories and beliefs. It is enough for me to transition into Fowler stage 5.

Do all of the top 15 men of the church truly believe that they are prophets seers and revelators? I think they all do believe this.

There are plenty of people who never leave the realm of Fowler Stage 3.

Even if one of the fifteen had a major faith issue I think they would still play along. They have families, children, grand children and some cases maybe even great grand children. They know that if they left it would shake up the life of their families as well as so many people in the church. They would gladly play along to help keep the faith of others alive.

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Well I had the luck of speaking with some folks who were not TBMs.

One of the girls at the party got a text from a friend in singles ward who said that since she has lost weight all kinds of guys have been looking and noticing her.

I mentioned that I always thought the friend was cute but that I kind of felt like we wouldn’t mesh well due to a possible difference in opinion with religious theology.

This brought up questions from the friends at the party.

I just kind of hinted at the fact that I didn’t believe in the same way anymore. Everyone in the room smiled and noded and began quoting church history that they felt were shocking and we found that we were all on the same page.

I usually openly share my opinion on this.

However My Bishop knows where I stand currently.

I told him how I felt about the Book of Abraham and I told him a little bit of what I have known since the 4th grade.

I mentioned that even if there were more scrolls the story of the Book of Abraham are told through the images printed on the pages.

Modern day Egyptology does not support what it said.

I told him that there is a part of me that is willing to believe that Joseph Smith Jr. went out into the woods, prayed to God, saw Jesus and God, Saw Angels and truly translated real plates. A part of me is willing to believe all this. However when it comes to the book of abraham the journals mention that he is trying to figure out the language of the egyptians. He does not use any seer stones of any kind.

With this in mind. I am willing to kind of believe that maybe the visions could have possibly happened. but that He was full of himself to try to translate something that he really wasn’t supposed to but passed it off as if he could forthe sake of fulfilling his personal ego.

I then added that I don’t openly share this with members because I don’t want to smash up their world. I would only mention it if they felt kind of the sameway and they let me in on it.

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Let the powers of the Red Crown and the Green Apple link up and unite as one!! For a more complete story.

http://forum.newordermormon.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12039” class=”bbcode_url”>&t=12039″>http://forum.newordermormon.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12039

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cwald wrote:

I get pissy at NOM when atheist get on and boast about their belief and belittle those who don’t share them…and try to control the board. I also get bothered by the number of NOMs who still post, that are no longer LDS and are vocal and proselyte others about the need to get out. Don’t understand how those messages meet the goals of the New Order Mormon.

This is exactly why I came to StayLDS. I think when I first started posting at NOM most of the active posts were by those who had resigned from the church and strongly considered themselves a blunt atheist.

I began posting again at NOM a couple years later because there seemed to be a more equal conversation among those who are still somewhat active and try to stay in VS. those who are pretty much leaving or have already left the church.

cwald wrote:

As of right now, I don’t really feel like either board is fitting my needs at this time. I would like to find a “positive” post mormon board, someplace that will not contaminate my spiritual energy with bitterness and anger. (I have plenty of that already.)

To be honest I don’t really feel like either board has ever truly fulfilled all my needs. I think both boards served a purpose for me and I got a little something out of it. I currently have yet to break 100 posts on either website. I think when the time comes that I do reach 100 posts on either site I will probably take a large break from posting and might even be completely done with posting.

I feel like the same topics have been recycled over and over again on both NOM and StayLDS. I really only add my two cents on the topics that I am most interested in. If the same topic comes up in a different thread I don’t really feel inclined to write something similar.

When it comes to my personal religion/spiritual belief system I feel like there are so many choices put up in front of me. I do not feel like there is a right or wrong answer. I can remain in the church or I can just go inactive or leave completely.

Since I am not married I really don’t feel like I need to remain or not remain for the sake of marriage. It all really depends on what I want to do.

cwald good luck on your search for a positive post Mormon board. I have never joined an official post Mormon board. The ones that I have chosen to lurk on seem to be negative rants and venting.

I feel like the only way you could find such a site is if you made one yourself. Make it a strict rule that you can’t rant or vent about the church. Only allow topics or stories of what people are doing now that they are out of the church. Allow suggestions of alternative beliefs but to keep it equal and open minded. Make it a place where positive conversation flows.

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