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I’m on here off and on. I haven’t read all the board discussions. I’m sure the reason for this post is to have people be on the look out. Or maybe you suspect a few people of being trolls or you have had issues with trolls.
I do enjoy this website for reasons that it is a pro Mormon site that allows us to discuss some of the tough issues.
I have been on an LDS site that had a forum and a chat room. It was a LDS sites for Yong Single Adults. I had a few doubts. I gladly shared with some people some of my doubts. Instead of showing concern or giving me some kind of insight or feedback they all seemed to turn on me. Everyone in the chat room had the attitude of “HOW DARE YOU!!” One of the guys who helped run the site and chat room snapped and accused me of being a troll!!??
I had been a member of this site for about a year before this happened. Most of the people in the chat room used the site often. I felt they kind of half way knew my character based on my posts. To have them all suddenly turn on me was a little scary.
Honestly I had originally found this site through the New Order Mormon chat forum. Some people on that site saw where I was with my faith and basically told me to watch my step because everyone was pretty much allowed to speak their mind on the matter of the LDS church and Mormonism altogether. If I wanted a slightly safer place that would give some support to my situation to go here to staylds.com
So Basically all this “JIBBA JABBA” is just to say that if there is an issue with Trolls I am confident that they will reveal themselves. I am also confident that the moderators will take care of them.
However I wouldn’t point the finger at someone and say “Your a Troll” or ” Your posts sound Trollish to me!”
Because you may offend or hurt someone who honestly is just having a faith issues and needs a place to for a little bit of aid and support. Which is what this place is meant for.
I am not a troll however I do live near the Fremont Troll. He is a cool guy. When I have kids I’m going to take my kids there and take a picture. and then throw my voice out so it echos back and says ” Have you been good this year!?” HE HE HE HE HEEEEE!!!
WARNING I AM JUMPING AROUND WITH MY THOUGHTS IN THIS POST DO NOT GRADE IT AS AN ESSAY 
Thanks for the comments and information
You know I’m glad there is a a place like this for me.
Brian thanks for your comments on the Bible and the fact that the church is an idea.
Quote:Hey cool! Thanks for stopping back in to give us an update. It’s nice to hear how you are doing, how things are progressing along for you.
I personally like the New Revised Standard Version a lot. I have tons of different translations on my book shelf though. Understanding the environment of scripture, translation and interpretation can add a lot to our perspective on things, I think. The Bible is a set of “stories” (that doesn’t mean not-true). Different translations all carry the essence of those stories. The closer we get, the harder we strain at the small details though, the translations become different. It only makes it difficult if we take very small pieces, like a sentence fragment, and try to stretch that out into some grand, all-encompassing statement of absolute reality. The translations will not agree on that level. In fact, the collection of books themselves are not consistent internally on that level. That isn’t really a problem, only our expectations of it are.
Speaking of expectations … that leads me into your last statement:
However if I truly feel in my heart that maybe the LDS church isn’t truly what it claims; I will simply leave quietly.
The Church is an idea — nothing more and nothing less. It can’t make claims. It can’t make promises. It can’t break them. It has no voice. Joseph Smith made a lot of claims. So did Brigham Young. Prophets, leaders and members have all made claims about their expectations of the Church. Many people have claimed the Church is perfectly true. Others have claimed it is the only source of truth. Many of us have had those expectations and made those claims. What happens if they don’t end up the way we expect? (not saying these expectations are true or not, just that we want those things to be true).
Right now I feel that the church is defiantly a source of truth.
I’ve had some powerful spiritual experiences with the Book of Mormon. I obviously can’t say that those spiritual experiences didn’t happen. I can’t deny those experiences.
I feel that I have an open mind. I feel that everything in the Bible, Book of Mormon and everything could be possible.
I enjoy the talks of Thomas S. Monson and the other leaders of the church.
I would be lying if I got up next Fast Sunday and said ” I KNOW THIS CHURCH IS TRUE.”
Honestly I do not “KNOW” I have a great deal of faith about certain things.
I guess I do feel somewhat bothered by the phrasing.
I have said it on a few occasions.
Maybe the phrase ‘ I KNOW THE CHURCH IS TRUE.” is the issue as to why so many of us have these faith trials in the first place. We are put in the mind set of absolutely everything in the church is true. so therefore everyone who has ever been a General Authority is Practically Perfect in every way like Mary Poppins.
Then at some point we stumble across some information that causes our perfect image to crack and sometimes break completely.
MARY POPPINS DID WHAT!!!????
😮 No she couldn’t have done that.
😯 SHE DID!!!😡 WHY!! HOW COULD SHE!!???
😥 But that’s why there are places like this. I’m grateful for that.
I do like the fact that the church is now working on allowing some of this information.
I think the church does work for me.
So Ray I won’t be trading in my vehicle just yet. Though it is a little broken so it won’t be able to travel light speed. Until then I’ll just hide in a crazy giant worm
:geek: Something I was just thinking about today…
Over the years have found some interesting Artifacts that may be just a coincidence to the Book of Mormon . However it does encourage and entertain the idea that maybe there were horses in the Americas before the Spanish came over. They did find some traces that ancient natives did work with metal to some extent. Just little things that make you go hmmmmmm
💡 I’M BACK!!! For a moment at least.
I thought about starting a new thread somewhere but I wasn’t totally sure where to put it. There were some things I wanted to say that related to some of the threads that already existed. After skimming through some discussions on this board I decided to just go ahead and post in my introductory thread.
I’ll give an up date as to where I’m at and what’s on my mind…
So I still attend church. I have a calling.
I keep find myself going back and forth with what to really think and how to really feel about certain things. I guess that is okay.
Awhile back I bought myself an NIV Bible. I know there is a discussion going on about the King James Version compared to other versions. I thought about saying something in that discussion however I chose not to as of yet.
I will say that my main concern and complaint I have heard over the years is that the Book of Mormon contains a lot of KJV Bible language through out the entire book.
I’ve heard the criticism many times that the only reason my church uses the KJV is because it all looks and sounds so similar to the Book of Mormon. Had we suddenly switched to another Bible that everything wouldn’t seem the same and people would “wake up!” to the true meaning of the Bible.
I have had many wonderful experiences with The Book of Mormon. However for my own curiosity I feel that I should actually really start reading through the NIV version. Maybe I will find new meaning with certain scriptures. I will even gladly check back and forth with the King James version to see the similarities and differences.
right now I feel really kind of spit. I don’t feel the need to break away from the LDS church. I would like to remain at least for now.
However if I truly feel in my heart that maybe the LDS church isn’t truly what it claims; I will simply leave quietly.
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for my Myers Briggs test I am an INFP
Quote:That’s exactly why I stopped participating in lds.net.
Yeah I’ve been off and on with that site over the past 5+ years. I joined the site back when it used to be ldstalk.com
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One of my big pet peeves is when certain people chose to tear down another religion to try to make our church look better. I really see no need for it and feel that if anything it only weakens the church when people attack other faiths and then complain about “Anti – Mormons”
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[Moderator comment: I am so very sorry! The deletion of most of this post was a total accident. I meant to quote from the post but instead edited the original. I wish there was a way to bring back the original text – but I’m afraid it’s lost.
😳 All thumbs today! I feel horrible to have erased someone’s thoughts and work! So sorry! sorry! (Feel free to edit me out of this!)}]Tom Haws wrote:Please note that in Lucid Dreaming, there is no mistake about your sleep status. You know you are asleep, and you know you are dreaming. It is an awareness. False awakenings are the opposite of awareness, and are not Lucid Dreaming.
That is very true but I was not sure what else to call it.
I used to listen to a talk show that often spoke of a specific type of lucid dreaming. It was believed that some had the ability to channel themselves during sleep to be able to travel the galaxy and visit the spirit world. I have heard that Sleep Paralysis can be a gateway to this but I never bothered to try it because I was already too freaked out. Also I’ve heard some scary stories of bad things happening while people are in this strange spirit dream like stage.
Of course all that strange stuff could just be a regular lucid dream and the person is simply traveling where they want to.
Tom Haws wrote:Also, while it’s good to be humanist and rationalist rather than superstitious, I don’t think it’s helpful to be too reductionist. Hate and anger we call spiritual, and they are toxic to our minds, bodies, and spirits. I’m going to read bn’s intro now.
I agree that Hate and anger can be toxic to the mind bodies and spirits. However Bridget_night was terribly must have been terribly exhausted from a newborn baby. It is easier to become even more irritated than usual when someone is sleep deprived. Even if an in law is trying to help out sometimes it can seem as though they are in the way regardless of how pleasant or terrible they really are.
bridget_night wrote:Dear Green,
Thank you for explaining that sleep disorder. That clears up something that happened to me 35 years ago which scared me to death. I had been sleep deprived with a new colicky baby (my first). It was a new years eve and I had spent the whole day hating my mother in law. She was a very cruel woman. When I woke up I could hear my baby crying in the other room, but I could not move or talk. I felt paraylized and I suddeniy felt an evil precense in the room laying on top of me trying to kill me. In my mind I kept saying, “in the name of Jesus Christ be gone.” I was so frightened and it took several times of sayng that before I was unparalyized and coud wake up and move around. I had decided that my being filled with so much hate the day before must have brought Satan on the scene and I swore from that day on I would never hate anyone again. It is good to understand now what had happened because I was so traumatized from it. I have also had dreams where I thought I was awake but wasn’t and I don’t like those kind of dreams either as it takes waking up from several dreams before I am actually awake. Yet it seems so real that I woke up and am not awake.
Read my intro Green and tell me what you think…I would rather live my life based on truth and reality than a pipe dream because I do not want the bubble to burst later. So, I admire thinkers like you and those on this group who are not afraid to face the truth. Bridget
Your very welcome
and I read your intro. It is good to see that you became stronger spiritually from your experiences.
Thanks for all the comments so far. Wendell actually got in contact with me. So far we have been comparing notes with our experiences and insights. I think we are both grateful to be able to be in contact with another person who had similar experiences.
hawkgrrrl wrote:Ah yes, Joseph F. Smith, one of the crazy uncles (er, paterfamilias?) of Mormonism. I too have heard his dinosaur theories. And I have also walked in the fossilized footsteps of dinosaurs in a river near Dallas.
I too have experienced sleep paralysis, and it is interesting. I usually just hear a cat walking on the piano keys, though (back when we didn’t have a cat) or dream that it’s night when it’s day or vice-versa. Sometimes I have a new dream blow out another dream. Very cool stuff.
Yet another person that has experienced Sleep Paralysis Though I think you are the first that I’ve ever come in contact with, which has a halfway enjoyable experience with it.
I will say though that once I realized what I had was a sleeping disorder I just allowed the strange somewhat scary feelings to happen. Whenever it would happen shortly after I fell alseep I felt as though I was being pulled or dragged down by something. I allowed it to happen though because I knew I was “falling asleep” and needed the rest so I just let it happen.
It has been awhile since I’ve experienced this though. After I had some of my issues with depression, Social Anxiety, General Anxiety, with medication and counseling I was actually able to sleep well enough to prevent this from happening. Now it will only happen if I travel or stay up WAY TOO LATE! writing a paper or studying for school.
This seems like a nice little place for some good support.
