[HPMBH]

I have an issue with this. The OP said that tbey are asked to report on sacrament attendance for their home teaching famies. Now if this means that when you report your home teaching numbers you say yes I saw them at church, then great, no harm no foul.

But if they are suppose to report that family x missed one sacrament meeting this month because…they had a baby blessing in another ward, were on vacation, went on a hike, just didn’t feel like going is a bit too much like big brother.

Ray is right that there is no arbitrary amount of caring/prying (depedning on your point of view) that will work for everyone as our needs are individual and different, but just a blanket report on your families attendance seems a little much.

Just be a friend and everything else will work out in the end.

[HPMBH]

Bear wrote:

HPMBH wrote:

I am actually teaching this lesson next week and have done a quick look through. I think there is definitely some potential for having a good conversation on the history of “the vision” and looking critically at what it actually tells us and what it doesn’t about where we go after this life.

Is there anything special about the history?

Share! Share!

All I have right now is that joseph and sidney were in the same room with others and that joseph would describe what he saw in the shared vision and then sidney would say “I see the same.” Then sidney would describe somthing from the vision and joseph would exclaim, “I see the same.” Then tbey got together a few days later to write it all down.

Also it is interesting to note that it was called “the vision” because there was no written record of the “first vision” at this point, as the first known written recollection wouldn’t come for about another six month.

[HPMBH]

I am actually teaching this lesson next week and have done a quick look through. I think there is definitely some potential for having a good conversation on the history of “the vision” and looking critically at what it actually tells us and what it doesn’t about where we go after this life.

[HPMBH]

I have listened to the whole thing and found it very enjoyable. It was hard to listen to Tom tell about being pushed out of the church by a insensitive and unflexable bishop. You could really hear the devotion and love in his voice for his fellow members and it is down right unacceptable to lose people like him from the church.

Dan has walked a long road and made peace with a lot of mormon doctrine and history. He experience and education allow him to see past the warts of the church to see the good. I think he finds value in being part of the community. It was mentioned that he also had some leaders that accepted his nuanced views and a ward that loved him and his family despite his orthoprax beliefs.

If more leaders amd members were like those of his ward then we might not push out so many members that want to enjoy the community and ritual of mormonism without the guilt and cognitive dissonance.

[HPMBH]

Sir,

Welcome aboard. Thanks for the thorough introduction. I think you have found a safe place to express your doubts, struggles, and nuanced faith.

As a side note, I only have two families to home teach and I am in the EQ presidency and still only home teach about once a quarter. So don’t beat youself up as you are doing fantastic in my book.

[HPMBH]

Old-Timer wrote:

There are some legitimate issues that can be incorporated, but, in one lesson, I would hesitate to include more than two or three, max.

Agreed. A little goes a long way when it comes to bringing in non-correlated material.

[HPMBH]

For me the tragedy itself does not hurt my faith, but it was the cover up that lasted for almost two decades that rankles me. Brigham was fully aware ofthe facts afterward and allowed the perpitrators to go unpunished except for Lee (brigham’s adopted son thru sealing) which still took years and lots of outside pressure.

Also the church has not apologized, they simply expressed “profound regret”. (Dont want to open doors for lawsuits)

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[HPMBH]

I have read it. To be honest it spent a lot of time talking about 19th century utah politics, which I found tedious and pedantic. Once it got to the 20th century it was very interesting. It is worth the read, but would skip the several chapters on politics unless you are into that kind of history. I don’t know about an electronic version. I got mine from the library.

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