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Brown, have you ever had someone talk to you right in front of your face as if you were not in the room? In front of your entire ward? It is extremely rude. I’m sorry, but I do take offense to that. When sexist things continue to happen-of course they are going to bug me. I went up and talked to the guy after, so hopefully he won’t do this to someone else. It would have been offensive to my husband if he had talked to me as if my husband was not in the room. It is a rude thing to do. SamBee, I agree with you totally that people ask people other people’s names-but like you said it’s so that the person won’t know they forgot. When the person is sitting right there they are obviously going to know.
SamBee wrote:My take is that more reactionary elements might find it easier to accept what’s obviously already there than campaigning for what isn’t there yet.
I don’t understand what you mean by thisAngryMormon wrote:Sorry you got upset! However, is it possible that we are reading too much into this guy? Maybe the guy was just trying to be funny and it didn’t go well? That’s what I thought when I originally read the post.
Personally, I have learned that I can be hyper sensitive about perceived slights. Especially when it relates to something that is a hot topic with me.
What I don’t understand is why the guy would then ask you about your career? Seems like an odd transition to me!
I don’t really understand how this would be a joke, but I don’t think the guy intended to offend me. I think that’s part of the reason it bothers me. But I went up and talked to him after, so I am not holding a grudge, but it is a weird thing to do.It’s normal to ask people about their spouses names-just not in front of their spouses…and the rest of the Sunday school class.
mom3 wrote:One of my favorite literary quotes comes from a young adult novel – the old neighbor lady says to a young kid – “They probably told you to turn the other cheeks. Pretty soon, though, you run out of cheeks.”
I like that a lot! It’s a good quote.Thanks Old-Timer. I agree with most of that except that I think too many women turn too many cheeks far too often. Roy wrote:
Is it fair to say that we have enshrined the idea that men and women are not complete without each other in our theology? Might it be extra hard to eliminate these notions from the church because we understand these things as the way God intended it to be? Is this part of why singles, divorced persons, gays, career women, and anyone else that doesn’t fit well into the traditional gender role of marriage tend to feel out of place like they don’t fully belong?IMO absolutely.
Thanks Old-Timer 🙂 I love hearing encouraging stories like that!Dax, that is ridiculous! I am pretty sure that used to be standard procedure. My friends mom who has been a feminist since the 70’s told me that anyway. Do you know Old-Timer?
I can see you point point of this, but if the priesthood that women hold is not recognized by the church then the list of can’t do’s is longer than the list of cans. SamBee wrote:You know I would have probably turned my nose up at basic sewing and cookery lessons but they would have been of great practical use to me over the years.
And changing a tire and learning to use a drill would also be very helpful for all women to learn. When I was in YW we didn’t learn cooking or sewing anyway though.hawkgrrrl wrote:Motherhood being praised is deceptive. This is something called Romantic Paternalism, when a man restricts a woman’s choices by telling her how great she is. She’s too special, precious, important to be out in the world. He needs to protect her. Putting a woman on a pedestal is one way to shackle her. Also, bear in mind how many times you hear that men need the priesthood whereas women don’t because they are inherently more spiritual. Nice try, but it’s Romantic Paternalism again.
Hawkgirl, I always love your comments! Romantic Paternalism is exactly what we say about the MIAness of our Heavenly Mother. Thanks for enlightening me on that term!
Blue bird, I totally feel for you! I had such a strong desire to have a career at your age. Luckily I didn’t have young women’s leaders like that, but I did go to school at BYU-I, and when I got up there I was taught those same types of things in church. I went through a lot of those same emotions that you’ve described. I felt like I was wrong inside somehow for feeling the way that I did and I also couldn’t understand the contradictory teachings of getting an education and then having a requirement to do nothing with it. I was so frustrated, and then I got my patriartical blessing. It said that I would be blessed with a wonderful career in whatever path I chose and that I would have great success. For me at that age, it was the best thing I could have asked for. I used it in a lot of heated arguments with traditionalists when I was up in Idaho. (I can get very angry…passionate…about debating my beliefs.)
My point is that God has different paths for everyone, and your path is your own. You may chose to have kids or not. (I’m thirty, just got married last year and don’t want to have kids for at least five so I am also going against the grain in that way too.) Whatever you do choose to do, if it is authentically your choice and your passion, it will benefit your life and the lives of those around you.
Someone mentioned that you will have to develop a thick skin and that’s true, but don’t stop voicing your opinion. It seems to me that they are pushing the YW extra hard to stick to the traditional roles lately. You are probably not the only person around you who feels this way and if you share your voice, you may get backlash, but you could potentially give someone else the strength to follow their dreams too.
Old-Timer wrote:Actually, HSAB, if you haven’t eaten it in times of winter . . .
Well Ray, I live in Orange County, California…a place where there is no such thing as winter…or famine😆
