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I am wondering when the podcast will air and what topics will be covered and covered in depth.

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I read the book as well, I thought Krakauer distinguished between modern LDS and FLDS. I felt Krakauer’s focus was on fundlementalism and extremism.

I laughed when Krakauer made the comparision between a “Crazy Uncle” at a family reunion that you dont want to admit you are related to …. this how the LDS feel about FLDS and those who practice of plural marraige. The Laftety murders happened because mainstream LDS people wont practice plural marriage. I think that this is book that many outsiders have read and this book has lead to a lot of good dialogue for me.

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Matthew

You are speaking my language BOOKS! Reading great books that speak resonate with me has always been a spiritual practice for me. So many of these books have had a serious positive affect in my life. I love all the books that have mentioned so far, I also like Paulo Coelho quick easy reads/fables.

I found that entering and tagging all the books I have read on goodreads, shelfari and amazon has helped me find many others books very specific to my profile. Netflix also has a great documentary section and makes great recommendations if you take the time to set up a profile of your top 40+ movies.

I actually started a bookclub with a couple other like minded friends and it really filled a void in my life that needed to be filled. I was ravenous for books written by women about women so perhaps that isnt your cup of tea but I needed some spirituality told through a womens voice. I also have loved studying aspects of others religions, the sciences and psychology. The Myers Briggs Personality Assessment was an interesting test to take and read about as well.

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Hello Kyle,

Thanks for posting and for your great introduction. Your story is very important, your story and many others like yours need to be told and heard. So I hope (and if I could beg I would) that you continue to post here throughout your spiritual journey. IMHO the questions you are asking are really questions we all should be asking. I am looking forward to hearing the 5 hour interview of Carol Lynn Pearson on Mormon Stories Podcast. Perhaps this may be a source of comfort or insight for you.

All the best!

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Old-Timer wrote:

humanist, I can’t imagine “The Church” editing someone’s profile from “photographer” to “skateboarder”. That would be a bit beyond weird. I assume someone can edit their own profile, but I haven’t tried or talked to anyone about it.

His profile use to say “photographer and skateboarder”

Now it says “Skateboarder” only

I saw Josh’s profile because I did a search under the key word “photographer”

Your right, there are two possible parties that could edit. Did you check out his photography link?

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I loved (past tense) Josh Maready’s profile on this, http://mormon.org/me/14DH-eng

but his profession of “photographer has been edited off and now it just shows him as a skateboarder. His photography is amazing, such a shame, I love his work. Just seems as though the artistic and individual parameters can be constrained and edited away.

http://www.joshmaready.com/

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cakelady wrote:

I hope im not repeating an old discussion

Thanks for brining up this topic cakelady. I am new to this board and didnt post on this topic. It hard on the net if people are just digesting the information in their brains trying to figure things out or if they are “a sheep in wolves clothing.” I really wanted to hear how what this board had to say on the topic but didnt want to start it. The abscence of the topic was a little unsettling for me, because I am in California with my mixed LDS family. I cant really explain why I was bothered by the absence of the post except it was as if the board was ignoring the 800 pound elephant in the room. but I am new and perhaps the dead horse and been beaten in my absence.

I also appreciated the other responses, Kudos!

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This somewhat reminds me of the latest survey in the Pew Forum that showed an increase in people who consider themselves spiritual but unaffiliated. I can see how one could believe in Christ but is finished with organized religion and the group think that comes with it (even though you can still individuate amongst your community.) It is much like my view on politics. I like people and some individual candidates I know, but you wont get me to join their political party.

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SamBee wrote:

However, I did find this nice little advert on the links for this other church. I’m not going to advocate going to this particular church, but the advert is very nicely done. LDS take note –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUJpJyth3J4

I loved it

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“Anyone can become angry – that is easy, but to be angry with the right person at the right time, and for the right purpose and in the right way – that is not within everyone’s power and that is not easy.” Aristotle

“The awareness of the ambiguity of one’s highest achievements (as well as one’s deepest failures) is a definite symptom of maturity.”

“Certainty about the next life shouldnt yeild intolerance in this life”

“The highest result of education is tolerance.” ~ Hellen Keller

The Qualia powerpoints have been a nice bridge in our family.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OLPL5p0fMg&feature=related Great Powerpoint on critical thinking, disucsses the flaws from black and white thinking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI : Great powerpoint on having an open mind

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAIpRRZvnJg&feature=fvw : Instruction manual for life

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I am so sorry for your predicament. I really doubt any one will want to step in as camp leader with such little notice … of course if you have medical emergency someone will have to step in and no explanation will be needed

I hate to be the pessamist but I know of many times where what was said to the Bishop was ultimately passed along to many leaders because they were trying to figure out new callings, home teaching assignments and so on. My advice is if you talk to the Bishop only say what you are comfortable having passed along to the Bishops counselors, EQ, RS and YW leaders. What you say you cant take back so if you live in a small town or neighborhood use all the more caution. I dont know your ward or Bishop but the risks are it could go great or your privacy is now forever gone. I know Bishops have great intentions but the reality is that there are normally more callings then people to fill them. TBM’s havent been conditioned to negociate boundaries with their ward, leaders and callings. For me boundaries are my best friend. Establishing and defining the boundaries that I needed to make me happy and healthy was very uncomfortable to do at first but now I will never go back. I wish you all the best.

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I just finished Infidel a week ago. I loved the book and would love to discuss it. So many books not enough time.

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IMO it just isnt possible anymore. I agree once you leave stage three you can never return. One of my favorite sayings is “the older I get, the less I know.” It was great time being a TBM, seeing the world in black and white, thinking … no knowing I had all the answers. The closest I could get to becoming a TBM would be if the Church radicalized the way it operates but I dont see that happening.

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I am wondering how to post a pdf to show additional info on the stats. The stats is about Utah women and Graduate Programs not High School and/or Bachelors degrees. So the Church may encourage education but the stats are showing that Utah has fallen behind all others states for women who actually graduate with a Masters or PhD. Most interestingly is that the biggest gap in money earned between Utah Women and Utah Men is Utah Women with Graduate degrees versus other states. What it shows is the Utah women are not choosing Math, Science, Engineering, Computers and Business as degrees. Unlike women in other states Utah women are still choosing education, health, cosmetology, liberal arts and humanities. These jobs are some of the lowest paying, hard to find jobs around. Women need to understand that if they get more education and training they may actually be able to work fewer hours and spend more time with their children.

Utahns get married sooner but more importantly, Utahns start families sooner and Mormons have the biggest families size out of any religious affiliation according to the Pew Forum. Since Utahs still only average 3 or 4 children versus 2 or 3, why cant they wait 2-4 years and finish their degrees and graduate school first? I read Fowlers latest book connected. Its a great read about how those two and three powers of separation really affect us. This includes women and what they will study in school and if they will get a graduate degree. I had a girlfriend who didnt get married until she was almost 40 (she was trying to marry for about 20 years). Every time her best friend got married she would cry, she said soon her girl friend would get pregnant and their common interests would fade and she once again would have to try to find new girls to hang with. It was very lonely for her being childless in Utah. The same could be said for being one of three girls in an engineering class. Peer pressure conscious or not doesnt end when we are teenagers.

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allquieton wrote:

It’s a part of Mormon culture, it’s an expectation, or a rite of passage in Mormonism. He shouldn’t let himself get bullied into it. But who knows, he might like it, or at least persevere through the challenge of it. .

Perhaps the problem is he knows himself too well. Some have always known since they were young what they wanted to be, “When I grow up I will be a doctor … a pilot … a rocket scientist.” Well that’s my friend, he cant give up what he loves and his passion to just endure and persevere a cultural expectation for two years. Of course I am non-traditionalist here but the reality of it is I when I tell my child to believe in themselves, that they can be anything and don’t let anyone or anything stop them (including cultural expectations) I see some parallels here.

There is “being true to yourself” and then there is a separate emotional reaction and interpretations that others have from straying from the norm. People can interpret this as rejecting the church or sinning, everyone is entitled their opinions but I think the world would be a better if everyone lived their passion.

A task without a vision is drudgery

A vision without a task is but a dream

but a vision with a task is the hope of the world.

“The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself” Quote by Friedrich Nietzsche

I am glad you learned to enjoy your mission so did I.

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