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Oh, maybe a check on the family thing, especially with missionaries out. They come by to see if you are doing well for Christmas and the winter, especially since you are forking out a lot of money for missionary(ies). This happens periodically to make sure the family isn’t getting strapped by the “service”. I’m one that prefers and organization like a church to change slowly. If they change to quickly, there will be problems with membership. Does the church change fast enough or slow enough? That is a tough question, which each would probably give a different answer.
I think they are an 8, but not as “fast” as one may think they should.
I have a mental bet that same sex marriage will be “tolerated” in the church soon. Meaning that they will not let it happen in the temple or the church, but, if you are “same sex” married, then you can still be baptized. That kind of change I see coming sometime. {This isn’t to get the discussion to change to same sex marriage …. }
My wife surprised me with nearly the same thing. We were in sacrament meeting, the sacrament was just finishing and she said, “I want to go home.” I said, “OK, let’s go”. We did, after my kid sang with the primary. This happens periodically, I think it is my wife understanding my need to be gone. Old-Timer wrote:Quote:Any tips on dealing with the question if it arises?
“Thank you. Will you offer it?”
or
“Thank you. I’d prefer to have you say it.”
I have only once had someone take over as “head of household”, they were asked to never come back. {except my Dad or Father-In-Law, though they “didn’t take over”, out of respect, I turned the option over to them}
When these questions come up, I look right back at the guy and say, “You pray, but keep it short.” I don’t really want the long drawn prayer/lecture. Usually they never really ask again.
The best way, I think, is how my current Bishop did it. He said “Is there anything you would like me to do before I leave?”. I said nope, we are good. He left, no prayer. I could have said, yes, let’s pray. He left it wide open for me to make that decision. Wish everyone would do it that way.
cwald wrote:Please show me anywhere in DC 89 where it prohibits beer, tea, coffee or pot.
It’s right there … in the D&C … right there … no, not there … over there….
Just Kidding – I’ve never seen it.
The Temple question says “Do you follow the Words of Wisdom?”, right? Isn’t that what it says? I follow the D&C 89 Words of Widsom…. To cwalds point ….
I don’t agree nor disagree with polygamy, monogomy, and other types of marriage. I always wondered why government was in the business of regulating marriage. I thought it was weird that I “had to get a license” in order to get married. License???? What gives.
Regarding your #2, I agree, the church is not suited to handle mental conditions. My family had similar issues, the best the ward could do was babysit and offer condolences (like we were dead!). Anyway, we didn’t see a church psychologist, like some suggested. I avoided them and went with a doctor who knew his science and relied on science. VikingCompass wrote:I’ll agree that is now the case–but given regionalization and individual leadership style–what would you do if the stake asked for one? Or the STK SSP asked for them?
Take my comment as my opinion …..
I would ask to be released. I wouldn’t be able to do it.
VikingCompass wrote:Forgotten_Charity wrote:In my case, starting priesthood role is new. It’s not done publicly. But rather I suppose to take it silently without drawing attention that I am doing…Can anyone tell me what I can do to better the situation? Positive feedback? I would like to feel better about my job and still help them without feeling dirty about treating people like little kids. It being asked to act like one. Any positive advice would be appreciated.
If you don’t do it you’ll probably get landed on–well, more likely your EQP will get the hassle. Every secretary I’ve had simply passed the roll around with a pen and you marked yourself. This makes it an open behavior and folks can be responsible for themselves.
And, people can “mark attendance” for those weeks that are blank….I don’t go to priesthood, I find the class useless for the most part. So my “attendance” is blank, all the way across the board.
DarkJedi wrote:So they actually take attendance in PH, RS and SS? I know I’ve been out for awhile, but I’m not aware of attendance ever being taken in my ward other than the SM count (which we like to inflate as much as possible for budgetary purposes, hence the guy counts several times, including at the end and in the halls and uses the highest number).
Some do some don’t. They are “supposed” to take role. Whatever, I say. Unless the SS Sec or SS Pres or ward clerk review the roles, they are just pieces of paper with people’s names and check boxes. Last I saw, someone just counted the number of attendees. Didn’t even care or look at “who” was there.angel333 wrote:I have become part of the Forum/Hallway class during sunday school and relief society.I often wondered why people did this. Now I begin to wonder if they are having the same feelings as I do. We had a Bishopbric member get on to us last sunday about not going to class and hanging in the hallways.He has no clue how close I am to just going home after sacrament meeting and not even staying at all. I am trying so hard to stay but I cry a lot at church more so than any other place. I dread it because I know how horrible it makes me feel.The sad part is I WANT to belong.I WANT it to be true I WANT to be a part of it all but life experiences are proving that it may not all be what I thought it was all these years and i hurt because of that.
{I Chuckle}I’ve been there! I’m stubborn enough that when the Bishopric member said nearly the same thing to me, that I said “Would you rather me here in the halls or in the bar down the street?”. He squirmed, because he knew I would do it. We have since moved from that ward, and with the new ward I leave after Sacrament meeting. My wife and child know I leave, and my wife was a bit hurt over it, but then she figured out that my church attendance does not reflect on my love for her. Now she couldn’t care less if I stay.
I used to attend the Gospel Principles class, which was, to me, the best class. Now they have the Gospel Essential, if taught at all, and it just isn’t the same. They want me to go preach the gospel. Yeah, Right! So I go home instead.
is this him? So, I’m a bit niave on this. Who or what is Denver Snuffer? Sorry, I just have no idea. I searched on Google, but I find lots of references to “Denver Snuffer”.
Old-Timer wrote:… I regularly wear slacks and a polo shirt to non-Sunday meetings where everyone else is dressed in full suit and tie.
One step above me. Carhartt shirt and denim pants (levis).The hyperactive members prolly think I’m the lazy member and they have an extra calling because I “look” like I don’t have a calling….
:clap: Old-Timer wrote:To follow up on what DJ just said, I find it naive to tell church leaders (not just LDS leaders) that the government will never step in and dictate how they handle marriages. All we have to do is look at the laws that were passed, after the fact, to ban polygamy, and the people who were jailed, after the fact, for not divorcing wives they already had married when those marriages were not illegal at the time of the marriages, to see why church leaders have little if any confidence in future government action if they refuse to perform marriages that are legal within their governmental structure.
I understand the differences between the two scenarios, but I also understand, as a history teacher and Mormon, how dicey it can be when the answer is, “Trust me. The government will never do (fill in the blank), because it respects your right to practice your religion according to the dictates of your own conscience.”
Those concerns get dismissed and even ridiculed by lots of people, but they are legitimate concerns – even if I personally believe it will not come to that extreme in the case of forcing all organizations to perform gay marriages.
I agree. Government can’t be trusted on any level, for a multitude of reasons. The tax code is another very good example that shows how government can change on a whim. Churches used to be able to speak their belief towards politics and not be threatened with losing tax benefits. Then the 501(c)3 came along. Now in order for a church to continue having tax benefits, they can not speak their belief towards politics. This is why the LDS church specifically states that it has “no position”. Now, if government would just get out of regulating marriage…. One can wish, right?
