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QuestionAbound wrote:
but that he sees “secondary evidence” that suggests that the church is planning for this by their building of larger girls’ camps in Utah.
Now that is a leap, sort of.I used to live near one of the girls’ camps. They are so busy there is no way they were built for “other agendas”. The church makes back the money they spent on the girls’ camp pretty quickly with the volume of busses that go up there weekly.
I have heard of something similar, many times. I write it off as they can do or live however they want.
I certainly have not received that type of revelation.
I don’t think I would like to live in a tent.
I like to camp for a week or so in a tent, but I wouldn’t want to do it for more than 1 week.
I’m starting this post and looking at the time … why am I up so late…. As regards to the church handbook, it changes all the time. It is now published, for the majority parts anyway, online at the lds.org website.
I have been unable to find anywhere it says you are not to attend other services. I did when I was on my two-year torture (mission), so why can’t anyone?
Quote:My wife does, periodically. I don’t, because if I’m missing church, then I ain’t goin’ to another one, I’m going shooting (exploding targets and all).
The only requirement for attending church is to get a temple recommend, and that is to periodically (I think once a month???) attend sacrament meeting.
My 2-cents regarding attending another church.
Side Note:There may be some confusion with the temple recommend questions. There are 2, at least, that ask about affiliating with sites or groups that are against the church (or something like that). This may be were some people are getting confused on where it says you “can’t attend another church”. If someone knows the exact questions, it would be nice to post them so that people can understand what the questions really ask. Welcome! It is a great community here. It has helped me and I’ve only been on the site for a couple of weeks. I think you’ll like it.
I kind of like the OT, but only because the stories in there are interesting. But, like everything in history, the victorious write the history. This means that they remove the parts that make the victorious look bad and the losers look good, this way all you have left is how benevolent the winners are and how evil and nasty the losers are.
If WWII ended differently, Hitler would be a benevolent leader, but instead he was written as a evil leader.
Hope that helps.
Nice discussion. Just to be clear, I think the StayLDS site is very helpful in relieving the pressure of “eating their own”. I have seen some very good discussions here where there could have been some eating, but instead there was kindness.
I posted the link because I thought it very interesting.
If my daughter were in a relationship where the guy was pushing her to do something she didn’t want to do, no matter what the “it” is, I would encourage her to stop dating him. The reason: No one who loves you will force or push you to do something you don’t want to do. They can ask, then discuss, then after a decision is made, it is over. Sounds to me like a decision was made, but then it was forgotten about.
Stick to your principles, whatever they may be.
That is my 2 cents worth….. just like all free advice, it is worth what you pay.
Roy wrote:I agree that you are not perfect, but I do believe that you are who you were made to be. You are the best at being you and in that way are fulfilling the measure of your creation.
I listen to a lot of talk radio some of the time is spent listening to christian talk. One I heard, the I latched onto was the “Mom Show”. It had a show about advertising and young girls. It talked about the Jerry McGuire show when Jerry said “you complete me” and how advertising wants you to think that you are not complete with out their product.All that said to make this point – we may not be perfect, but we are complete. Meaning we are the way we are for a reason and there is nothing, no boy, girl, teacher, boss, anyone who can “make us complete”.
Now that is said –
Holy Cow! I knew others existed out there who didn’t like the temple endowments, but I didn’t know any of them …. now I do. When I did go (it’s been a long time), I just help with baptisms as that is the only part that makes any sense to me. The rest is a bunch of wibbly wobbly gibbly gobbly wooshy stuff (yes, that is a reference to one of my favorite shows).
Personal experience here…… I have been a haphazard member for about 4 years now, meaning I attend between 2-3 times a month and only to Sacrament meeting. There have been some strings of 3 months where I didn’t attend at all. When it was temple recommend time, I answered all of the questions and got the recommend. I haven’t attended the temple in about 3 years, but I still get the recommend. There hasn’t been once where the bishop questioned my “attendance” or asked if I attended another ward. Why did I still get the recommend? Because I am still a good person who is still trying to follow the teaching (regardless of my feelings of earlier), therefore there is no reason to say no.
Attending another ward fits into the same scope – If you can answer all of the questions to the temple recommend interview, you pass.
Even if you do drink Coke …. some of you may remember that some bishop’s wouldn’t give temple recommends if they knew you drank Coke. You would have to remind the bishop that that question was not part of the interview questions….. Ergh… I have not problem setting bishops and stake presidents straight …..
:clap: It is confusing, I agree. Here is a link to the handbook – see if you can find where it says you have to attend “your ward” to get a temple recommend. None of the questions asked are about attending your ward.
https://www.lds.org/handbook/handbook-2-administering-the-church/introduction?lang=eng I don’t know about the church as “the church” and have had issues with some of it’s teachings. I took a financial class from Dave Ramsey’s FPU course and once I learned this perspective I had no issues paying tithing. I look at it as this church is just as good as any other and since my family attends it makes sense.
Here is the link:
http://www.daveramsey.com/article/daves-advice-on-tithing-and-giving/lifeandmoney_church/ Hopefully that helps as it isn’t a mormon thing but more of a bible thing.
There is no true service. Code:Here is how – when you serve others you are rewarded with a sense of happiness, gratitude, or something good. You are then rewarded, so therefore it really wasn’t service because you were rewarded. No matter what you do as a service, unless you painfully hate it and get no reward, meaning it really SUCKED and you probably wouldn’t do it anyway, then you gain from the service.
OK – so you read that and realized that is impossible to not get gain from service. Helping at a food bank gives you the high of helping others. This is why people get hooked on service as helping others makes you feel good. There is probably some better philosophy way of explaining that concept, but there it is in my layman’s terms.
afterall wrote:Depending upon the local leadership, some can and will withhold the temple recommend if you do not attend your geographical ward. They justify if in the sustaining your leadership part of the TR question.
😈 I haven’t seen this myself, but I have attended other wards without any problem. If a bishop said this to me, I would just say “Doctrine & Covenants 121:37” then walk away. There is no requirement to be in any particular ward to get a temple recommend.SilentDawning wrote:I didn’t know about Justserve.org. I looked it up. It is good that the church is trying to help people find service opportunities. They create a platform where organizations can post volunteer needs. Are they promoting this site to their own membership? (Us?) Or are they simply hoping the world will use the platform? For me, the site only has teeth in dispelling its egocentricity if it encourages its own membership to get involved with the projects posted there.
I don’t know what their plan is for sure. I do know that they picked some pilot stakes to build the projects, which is why the projects are isolated to a couple of areas. I live in one of the stakes. All projects have to be approved by the stake justserve.org rep. So far all projects are members homes, church property, or something like that. There is also some committee (isn’t there always a committee) that conjures up projects, but again they haven’t ventured very far from their normal services. We’ll see what happens as they build up the site.SilentDawning wrote:That is the egocentrism of the church at work and it has crept into the attitudes of my family. Listen carefully at church, and to the attitudes of many members when they talk about service. It often has to do with items that serve the church. Even community service projects can appear to be a hassle when promoted within the church because everyone is so busy with inward looking activities.
And you know, I’m not out to criticize them for that. Many people find the church as great source of happiness and lose themself in service there, happily. However, I draw the line at valuing church service over community service — or EXPECTING that people will give their disposable time to the church when the rest of the world can also use their talents.
I have yet to hear how a priesthood holder will react to the argument that my time for service in the church is restricted due to community pursuits. I honestly don’t know how local leaders would react.
I understand better. I read an article of a survey done on fathers who participated in community organizations and those who didn’t. Those who did had children who became well adjusted adults as compared to those who didn’t volunteer. They even discussed the amount of time the father was spending at the community organization. Those who took their children with them had better results. I tried to find the article, but after 20 minutes of google searching I gave up. I think I got it as a link from Meg Meeker or Dave Ramsey, though I couldn’t find the articles by searching their web pages either.
I understand the service only in the church mentality. I think the church is “trying” to change that with the justserve.org website. Though trying to change a culture is like banging your head against the wall. It is better to just walk past the wall. I don’t see the service should be in the church with the church or by the church changing anytime soon. Even on justserve.org many of the service projects are towards their own members needes and such, which isn’t a ‘bad’ thing, just kind of selfserving/centered.
I’m like/with you on service outside the church. My wife agrees with me, so I don’t have to fight the family tension like you do.
I would be interested in how your talk with your daughter turns out.
