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I would soooooooo love to have some documentation for that. I am guessing that any minutes from that meeting were burned, ashes blended with cement, then poured in the foundation of the church office building. Old-Timer wrote:I absolutely loved the humor, johnh. Thanks for the laugh.
Thanks Ray….it reminded me of something one of the laborers I worked with back in my construction days told me.
He was a a known partier on the crew. He was also a Catholic. He came in one monday and said “My priest kept pressuring me to give up something for Lent…finally I told him – OK…I am going to give up going to church”
Yeah…I knew that just trying tolighten things up….probably inappropriately….not unusual for me. That darn loud laughter addiction of mine 
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My only thought is this would be nearly impossible to discuss in church….and I would never recommend it. I believe the simple phrase saying victims are not guilty is as far as you can go in that setting.
Main reason for this is that the majority of people work on rebuttal as soon as they hear something they think they don’t agree with…usually not waiting to hear the whole concept….their mind are spinning waiting for the chance to get their point in. Heck this happens in forums like this too…even when the whole thought is written down.
Then add to that the “what I meant is not what you heard” factor and this is a huge opportunity for misunderstandings between people who love and care for one another….think hour bad it could get in a ward class!
I agree with the concept and find it beautiful when understood in its fullness..something that a one hour class could never convey.
Simple concepts and simple explanations are best in a church setting..much of the time we still get a lot of those wrong…(thinking of cwald’s comments about the grievous sin of the blue shirt)
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I don’t think many quit….though some Mission Presidents get “send ’em home!” happy. My Mission Pressident in Los Angelas used to like to send home Elders a few weeks early (with an honroable release) for things like sneaking to DisneyLand (like 5-10 miles outside the mission) or going to a laser light show at Griffith observatory (in the mission). It was his way to give them a life long guilt complex without upsetting the parents .
Basically the elder would know they were sent home early and could live with that their whole life but could easily tell their family “it just worked out better from a travel perspective”
Of course if they went to disneyland early in their mission and then were “overcome by remorse” and confessed to the president, naming the names of everyone else who went, they were likely to be a zone leader.
Lets just say my mission is where my cynicism began
I find it interesting how the prophet, the Lords mouthpiece, has to “chip away at anything”. I have heard more than once that Pres McKay wanted to get rid of this, also that he wanted to get rid of Garments….but couldn’t get the support. It does sound more like a corporation when you hear things like that.
Would be an interesting discussion thread if it wasn’t going to just be a long line of hear-say (leading hearasy?)
Ditto on the thinking it was cool…sort bummed out now that i know it isn’t doctrine…..it turns out we were the ones who were believing something crazy My wife and I, way back when we were teenagers dating, would watch sunsets and talk about who would get to do what when we were making planets…
she was going to be in charge of sunsets
PS: i must admit that my first reaction to the announcement was leaning morre towards thinking this was a more a move of desperation, not inspiration. I credit that with my inherantly cynical nature. :eh: Weird Stuff that I heard…. 1) mormons can have their calling and electoin made sure through a special temple ceremony
2) Brigham young quit giving the priesthood to africans for no reason
3) joseph smith had lots of wives…many in secret
4) Women used to be able to give blessings
5) Mormons will eventually build there own spirit children and populate their own planets
Ann wrote:I was referring to second-hand info, just so you know. Go to the 9/27/12 post at bycommonconsent by Margaret Blair Young. Comment #16.
Man…wish there was another source for this….
I must admit to occasionally having the thought “Wouldn’t it be funny if it turned out the chruch was simply structured to create an ever growing under-wear monopoly?”
Old-Timer wrote:I believe strongly in the concept of “shut up and don’t ask”.
Amen to that. Best way to get shut down is to ask permission. Love Colin Powells Take on this….specifically “If I haven’t explicitly been told
‘no,’ I can.”
http://www.airpower.au.af.mil/apjinternational/apj-s/2011/2011-4/2011_4_02_powell_s_eng.pdf ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://www.airpower.au.af.mil/apjinternational/apj-s/2011/2011-4/2011_4_02_powell_s_eng.pdf Quote:“You don’t know what you can get away with until you try.”
You know the expression “it’s easier to get forgiveness than permission?” Well, it’s true.
Good leaders don’t wait for official blessing to try things out. They’re prudent, not reckless.
But they also realize a fact of life in most organizations you ask enough people for
permission, you’ll inevitably come up against someone who believes his job is to say “no.”
So the moral is, don’t ask. I’m serious. In my own research with colleague Linda Mukai, we
found that less effective middle managers endorsed the sentiment, “If I haven’t explicitly
been told ‘yes,’ I can’t do it,” whereas the good ones believed “If I haven’t explicitly been told
‘no,’ I can.” There’s a world of difference between these two points of view.
