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SilentDawning wrote:
I’m still influenced somehwat by the BoM or D&C quote that says that God is angered when we don’t acknowledge his hand in all things, so I acquiesce that he has probably moved a few things around in my favor over the years — and to my detriment to try to change me.
I don’t know if angered is the word even though that’s what it says in scripture. I think it’s more of a disappeared when one doesn’t acknowledge him and is more transparent when one does acknowledge him/her/it. This is what causes me to believe that God is an energy source because the more a person says thank you and is grateful, the quicker he/she/it shows up and I think this is just because we notice how much more involved he/she/it really is.
I’m working out my belief on what God is exactly and not too worried about that as the last time I checked, the only requirement to getting into heaven is by believing in Christ –as far as the mistranslated scriptures are concerned.
cwald wrote:Journey wrote:I think universalism is making a huge comeback right now. Not sure it’s a “new” religion, as Joseph Smith Senior was a Universalists, and to a lesser extent, JS — at least according to Richard Bushman.
Yup.. I understand what you’re saying. Not new. I believe it’s always been under one name or another. Gnostics to some degree.
Metaphysics is coming out of the woodwork. To go along with it is Unity, Universalism. Anything that deals with the mind and mystical topics. Mormonism is a highly metaphysical religion involving mysticism. It’s slighted a bit. My friend was asked to kneel for his baptism. This helped tremendously and he was not only tall but well-rounded especially in the mid-section. :wtf: It was a success the first time around.SilentDawning wrote:Journey — I laughed out loud when I read that one. Problem is, you won’t see me cleaning any toilets. Another deep commitment I’ve made — and my personal integrity rests upon it. Perhaps they will get me playing poker so I can contemplate a truly ROYAL flushing of doctrines that no longer serve me???
Awesomeness.. See, there’s spiritual meaning behind everything..
My Guess? They’re waiting for the most appropriate time to ask you to clean toilets and while you’re doing that, you can ponder it’s spiritual meaning of flushing away doctrines that no longer serve you.
:crazy: What if hell is coming back to this earth and doing it over and over again until you get it right? Kind of like repeating a grade. But I don’t think God sends us here. I think we choose to come and sometimes are drawn back to pay a debt we owe. Old-Timer wrote:I think our mistakes need to be “paid for” in some sense. I really do. I just don’t know exactly what that sense is and if it involves a literal transfer of guilt and pain – or if the symbolism of the transfer is what matters.
I believe our sins are paid for by us. What we sow so shall we reap. I strongly believe in karma and may be one of the few LDS persons who believes in reincarnation. We only commit sin because of a lack of understanding. The way to get understanding is to sin. You get the benefit of doing the sin, then reaping the rewards. Later on, you get to see the sin from another perspective; often times when someone in your immediate circle goes through the same thing. You then get to use your understanding to assist them if you choose. It’s a beautiful thing really. Painful at times, but beautiful.
Back to the original post, I was once where you are. I think what Jesus actually did was deliver information on how to overcome death, how to heal and to show us how our thoughts are powerful creations (as a man thinketh). When Jesus conquered death I believe it meant that he no longer had to incarnate in a body on this earth. He had overcome temptations, sin and was free from the bondage of attachment to earthly things.
Every day my perception changes. Every day I learn one or more things differently than what I had known before and every day I draw nearer to letting go of religion and standing on my own, seeking the kingdom within, without much thought to or reliance on any person, place or thing for validation of the Self. The more I study and search for the truth, the farther away I get from anything that had meaning before and the more I realize that anything with meaning before only had it because I assigned it a value. The attachment to things of this world have been great and caused much pain. The things in and of themselves have not caused pain but rather the attachment to them. Religion is something I have been deeply attached to. Who is wrong, who is right, who is going to heaven, who is not, who is a true prophet, who is not. I’ve spent so much time trying to decide on right or wrong that I’ve neglected the nurturing of the spirit.
So what should I be looking for? Myself. The true self that was created by the one true voice on earth (physical body) and in heaven (spiritual body). The voice that speaks to me personally and who has invested much time in my souls progression. The time has come to seek the one true relationship that has value – the one with a Loving Father in Heaven and not the belonging to a church. God is not in a church but rather lives inside the soul. The illusion is believing there’s a separation from him and constantly seeking things outside the self for the truth. The truth lies within.
Church is a stepping stone to the truth and once on the other side there’s no longer a need for their assistance (Unless of course there’s a plan to go back and forth). The juggling is over.
Heber13 wrote:Journey wrote:I think fear and stress are two things we place upon ourselves, regardless of reality outside of us. I don’t believe the church is a church of fear, but a church of love…however, I have had to recognize where my fears about not being perfect at church come from, and root that out with other thoughts and I find that the church focuses on love and if I can let that in, it dispels the fear just like the light dispels darkness.
When one is compliant, they hear truth and love. When one is non-compliant or questions, there will be a remembrance of the penalties of sin whether those penalties be true or fallacies. Where you grew up in relation to the church also has an impact. Although the doctrine is the same, the messengers are different. The climate in the east is much different than the climate in the west.
I applaud a man in our ward who didn’t give the standard church closing prayer. He thanked Heavenly Father repeatedly for so many things never asking for anything in return. Meanwhile, on the back bench with my hubby and I, the missionaries are rolling their eyes and laughing silently amongst themselves. I was so angry with their ignorance… Roy wrote:bridget_night wrote:Bridget and Journey, have you found any judgments from some of your new friends that you are not committed to the new faith’s doctrines enough to sever your ties with the LDS? Or is complete “conversion” less important in these other christian faiths?
No one has asked us to convert. There’s a class schedule if you’d like to become a member. We have felt no pressure from anyone. I especially enjoy meditation during the meetings and the way they have you stand up and introduce yourself to others around you whether you know them or not. Where I get uncomfortable is in the passing of tithing trays. I wish this was done in an envelope in secret. Other than that one thing, it’s all been a positive experience. Where else can you go to church and hear the preacher say bull****. Normally I would be shocked by that but my learning has taken me to understand that words are just words. We attach the meaning to them and make them dirty (Our filthy little minds).
My commitment to the mormon church is based on fear. I’m afraid of outer darkness too much to quit the mormon church.
SilentDawning wrote:Brian Johnston wrote:
What place would the LDS Church have in your life if that happens?I don’t know. I’m so conflicted as to staying or going mostly because the ‘What If’ factor. You know the one where you do this.. What if I choose the wrong church? What if I make a mistake? What if it is the right church and I’m just being stubborn? What if it’s like the prophecy said that in the last days even the elect will be led astray? What if i’m one of those people? and on and on…
I’ve had some of the same experiences in other settings that I’ve had while being in the LDS church so it gets very confusing.
For instance:
This past Sunday, it felt as though the talks were geared directly toward my current situation-Like they were talking to me. I’ve had that happen in the LDS church.
The speaker told of how she felt she was teaching a topic that was needed by her the most at that time. I’ve heard that by speakers in the LDS church.
These two things alone made it seem like I was supposed to be there which leads me to believe that God works through every religion for the good of all people. That where people are on their spiritual path is exactly where they are supposed to be or what’s perfect for their situation and it’s not some miracle extended only to mormons.
Yet still in the back of mind, there’s that fear of letting go to what has been ingrained my cell structure. Then again I’ve been told that fear is of the devil. Ack!!!
