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Hi, metalrain It’s good to have you here! Your story really resonates with me- many of us here are still in that position, or have been. It looks like there has been some great advice on here, and I hope you find it and the rest of this forum helpful. You’re not alone at all.
Basically all through my later teen years, and has lasted up to where I am now, in my early twenties. So true, LH! I don’t like the thought that a gay couple who are genuinely in love can’t be together for eternity. Everyone is always saying to live a just life in this world, because we’ll be exactly the same in heaven as we are now. If this is indeed true, this means that a gay person would stay gay. And just because of who they are and how they feel, according to the church standards, they couldn’t go to the CK with their spouse. Just… ahofewrh. Whatever that even means. But, I loved what Heber said here… Quote:I’ve often thought if the kingdoms we were taught are actually very different from how they were described to us. Is it possible the CK isn’t for everyone? And that maybe it isn’t the closest to God? Or maybe if you are comparing the glory of the Sun to a Star, it just depends on where you are viewing that from…because from a different point of view…stars are suns just in a different location. Could I go away from a polygamy sun, and find a star that becomes my CK and my sun, even if it is someone else’s TK? Then I think of all the other stars that exist and start to really wonder of the possibilities for us all to be happy in eternity
Well said, Heber. Gives me a lot to ponder.
This question has crossed my mind many times; what if it’s all in our heads? I honestly can’t say that “I know the church is true,” nor have I ever been able to. But despite still going through a FC, I can say that I believe that the church teaches a good lifestyle, for the most part. Sometimes, people take it too far by using what we’re taught to judge others heavily, but if you’re careful to be open and not so conservative in this way, then it’s very beneficial for us to go.
If people are happy going to church, and if it’s helping us to live a good and honest life, then why not continue going? Why not continue to believe the feelings you get in church is the Spirit speaking to you? Why not continue to believe that God loves all of his children?
If having faith is what keeps you going, keeps you happy, and makes you into a better, more accepting and kind person, then I don’t see why one should let go of their faith, even if it were fraud.
Quote:I even wonder if there is a God or a Spirit…or if we just have these things inside us as humans. But I still can’t explain away some of my experiences…so I chalk it up to the mysteries of God and find it is usually a good thing to seek the Spirit and tap into the goodness in the universe…whatever that means.
I wonder sometimes too, Heber. I’ve often asked myself in the past if maybe it was just my own emotions.
In the end, however, I do believe that there is a God. I’ve definitely felt blessings from Him in my life- again, I could say that these instances were just lucky on my part, but I truly believe that they weren’t just coincidences, as I can’t explain them myself.
Quote:There are SO many things that do sing to my heart that I know I should be doing (loving my fellow man) that once I am perfect in those, then I can be asking God to help me see how this is important. Until then I see it as a huge boulder of mistake by some men put in my path to make me want to leave the church. I am deciding to walk around that boulder and call it like I see it.
Loved what you said here, LH- I was just freaking out because I’d never heard it before, and my roommate sounded
so sureabout it. When she told me, the first thought that came to my head was that I’d rather live in the Terrestrial Kingdom, single, than live in the Celestial Kingdom with a bunch of sister wives
:sick: 😆 How can I be happy if I had to live like that for eternity? I mean, really.But let’s not jump to conclusions yet, yeah? This was definitely one of the boulders blocking my path, but there’s still a lot that we don’t know in the church, and just assuming that such things are true can be dangerous.
This helps a whole lot! I keep seeing these acronyms and thinking “what in the world does that even mean?” Thanks for this!
:clap: I didn’t realize this was a thing, as almost every male I know wears a colored shirt to church every once in a while. But why not? They’re nice, but they’re also fun, for lack of a better word. And women aren’t told to wear a white dress- they can have unique colors and styles. So, why not men? I’m not sure it will change soon, but I’ve noticed few individuals who have worn whatever the heck they want to church, even if it’s jeans.
Honestly, I really think that as long as you look nice, it shouldn’t matter so much what you wear. Our church seems to be pretty strict about appearance, but I haven’t noticed any criticism to the men who wear colored shirts, or the women who decide to wear pants. Maybe I’ve just gotten lucky with my wards
What really matters is that people are attending, whether or not they’re struggling- that’s what’s more important here, I say
Wonderful thoughts everyone Looking at these posts has given me much more perspective- everyone feels the spirit in different ways and at different times. Not all of us have to experience the exact same feelings.
Quote:I don’t hesitate to disagree with someone at Church when they choose to be rude or thoughtless. Sometimes I disagree because I don’t like the point they are trying to make & see if they can reinforce the point. It can be done diplomatically. It comes with practice. Another thing I do,
when someone tries to quote something obscure or vague, ask them for the source and you really want to
study it further.
Great advice, Mike. Thanks- this is something I really intend to work on
That’s fantastic! So happy that the church is starting to have some positive changes- it gives me hope for the future Thank you everyone, for your kindness and acceptance Mike, I was kind of talking about what SilentDawning said; sometimes there are things that are said about gay people, for instance, or someone makes a comment about an individual without knowing any of the facts (that happened in my singles ward, but it wasn’t about anyone in the ward. But it wasn’t the person’s friend, and from the comment, it sounded like she was just looking from the outside and judging). I don’t know, it just bothers me.
I completely believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and I’ll respect theirs if they’ll respect mine. However, I don’t see a whole lot of respect when these comments are made. Yes, I like everyone in my ward, and I try not to judge them as a person based on their comments, but I can’t help but get irked at some of the things people say.
Also, sorry I didn’t post to the introductions forum! I’ve never been great at navigating forums
Honestly, I’ve never heard that. But I’ve heard of people who leave the church and still live happy, good-natured lives. I’ve also heard of people who leave the church, but have an empty feeling inside. They didn’t realize that it was there, until they rejoined.
But I’ve never heard of losing your job, or losing money due to not paying tithing. I haven’t paid tithing in several months, almost a year, and I’m doing fine financially. However, many people I know have seen the blessings of tithing in their lives.
Very sad story, though. It’s so sad to hear people who leave the church because of its members. That should never, ever happen.
