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Mom3- I’m so glad that you can still connect with your daughter over social media and that it is reassuring for you and her. It is also good news to hear that she doesn’t have a fever. I hope by the 13th she is feeling much better and you can breathe a sigh of relief. I am also so grateful for healthcare workers, grocery store workers and all of those who still have to go out and work during this time. Hawgirl- I’m sorry your business is suffering. This is such a hard time for everyone.
They also give a pittance to the wards to help run their programs. I used a lot of my own money to do my callings. I drove a lot for years in my callings and was never allowed to be reimbursed for gas. One of my bishops said I wasn’t even allowed to give the YW a small birthday gift. I spent most of my part time work paychecks on callings. This on top of paying my tithing, cleaning the church, doing very demanding callings for free, VT, paying fast offerings, donating to scouts, etc. It’s one thing to be frugal and smart with your money. It’s another thing to be miserly and greedy. When your members are sacrificing everything including time spent away from family, money and serving, I think they at least need to be given some reimbursements for their money spent and not be expected to run programs on practically nothing when the money is there.
I liked Sis. Eubanks talk. My husband was already getting depressed about our family not being together forever and on Sunday, Nelson just confirmed that he’s right, we won’t. According to him being a good person isn’t enough so I guess me and my sons don’t deserve to live with their Dad in the afterlife. I guess he’ll get his pick of as many wives (and kids) as he wants in eternity.
What a punch in the gut.
My sister asked her bishop what happens to her because her husband is inactive and he told her that he won’t be with her and the kids in the CK but don’t worry she’ll get a more righteous man to be her husband. She told me she’s hoping for James Dean.
:wtf: It didn’t seem to matter to President Monson who was next in line to be the prophet when he selected his counselors. What they did to Uchtdorf and those who desperately needed a beacon of light to look toward was disrespectful and cold. I also want to mention that many, many women loved Pres. Uchtdorf and please don’t tell me it was because of his looks. 🙄 He acted like he understood us; as if he just “got” us. Inactive people loved him. My husband once had a nonmember tell him that if Uchtdorf became prophet he might consider being baptized. Many going through a faith crisis were drawn to him.It doesn’t matter how you slice it to me, as Silent Dawning said, he DID represent the disenfranchised, those without a voice in this church. My heart felt empty today. I miss seeing him. It really doesn’t matter that he gets to talk once. Him being in the First Presidency made some of us feel like we were somewhat represented. Now that is gone.
I really don’t care about their snails pace, micro changes for the better. I will never have a voice in this church because of my gender and my different viewpoints. I don’t matter and I know it.
This post sounds very “poor me” but I do feel sorry for myself.
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Heber13 wrote:
I think when you reach that point of realizing you wanted it a certain way, and then it isn’t going to be that way…well…you move past constant “wishing” it is going to be different, and instead embrace the current situation, and begin moving forward with how things can be, not how you might have though they should be. You stop fighting the current of truth, and you submit your will to the Father, and find peace in the moment.Too often, when we cling to fears of our life is not turning out the way we wanted it to be, we stay stuck and stagnant, damned from growth and learning. Damned by our prior views, as we saw things as a child, and have to put away such thoughts. God will want us to open our minds to new paths forward.
God may want us to leave the church…if we find better ways to find His love and how to love others.
God may want us to leave our marriage…if we make choices to increase our love and have better ways to meet our family responsibilities.
God may want us to be openly homosexual rather than live inauthentic lives out of fear of others.
God’s purposes are greater than just having “one way” to obey our way into heavenly mansions.
Thank you so much for this comment I really needed this today.
Mom3, I just wanted to let you know you’re not alone in the way you are feeling. I was very worried he would be taken out of the First Presidency but when it happened, I felt something die inside of me. Maybe it was hope. I don’t know but I just felt to my core that this wasn’t right. In a way, in confirmed the way I felt this church was going.
I realize that we’re still going to hear from Pres. Uchtdorf but I feel like I’m grieving. I just can’t put my finger on my emotions right now. I know it sounds generic but I just feel so sad.
On Own Now, Thank you for your perspective. You could very well be right about the intention of that post. I did react quickly and harshly without trying to fully understand what he was stating.
I just have a hard time understanding how taking President Uchtdorf out of the First Presidency could be working towards getting rid of bitter fruit. It seems that the First Presidency we have now would be much more likely to keep those flawed aspects of the church in whereas I believe President Uchtdorf was much more likely to try to prune the frustrating issues out.
This has been a very hard day for me. After this, the only reason I am going to church every week is because of family issues. I am forced to “StayLds” at least for now. But I very heartbroken that, in my view, the most Christlike leader of the church has been stripped of a lot of his ability to change the status quo. He didn’t deserve that and neither do we.
“I believe in the system of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I have confidence that their flaws are smoothed by their interactions with each other and with those they serve. Over time the branches of the tree that produce the most bitter fruit are being pruned. We are becoming more perfect as a church. We will continue to do so until we are fully acceptable to God. Those of us who will, will join into a fellowship with God. We will live as he lives and experience the joy of doing the work he does.” Rich Alger,
Just curious, are you trying to say that anyone who is upset with President Uchtdorf not getting put back into the First Presidency are “bitter fruit” who need to be pruned? If so, then I’m sure you will enjoy your homogenous church where everyone thinks and believes the same. To each his own.
This has really disheartened me. President Uchtdorf was the only hope I had that people like me could be represented. The fact that he has been taken out shows me where their priorities are. I am just sad right now. The more the leaders say, “Just trust us”, the less I trust them unfortunately. Dallin Oaks saying that if an answer to a prayer goes against what the leaders say than it is from a “different source” (Satan perhaps? I don’t know what he specifically meant there) was particularly hurtful to me.
That is so interesting Dkormond. I will look into reading that book. I had been frustrated, stressed and extremely anxious throughout my time as a very active member. When I read these articles and other books, I realized that it could be that I’m not just weak, lazy, or uncaring. It could be that the institution has been wrong in making all of the demands on the promise that you get to be with your family and live forever with God. The amount of guilt I have felt over the years from not measuring up has really taken a toll on me. I realize that this is not everyone’s experience and so they may not view it the same way as I have come to but these articles were such a relief to read that maybe this is not all my fault.
Thanks again for the book suggestion!
I just found the main article that just flipped a switch in me. It hurt my testimony more than any church history fact ever could.
Thank you for the update Kipper. That seems to be a good answer to the garment question. I’m glad it worked out for you! Do you think the answer I want to give (i.e.: All of these questions seem like an invasion of privacy and something that is only between me and the Lord and the only reason I’m here is so I can see my child’s wedding) would get me in? 🙂 I also agree with the feeling you get from going to church on Sunday. I rarely ever feel peaceful at church. I really don’t feel that close to God there except for when I hear a talk that touches me. Today I only stayed an hour and felt like I was crawling out of my skin. I came home and listened to another church’s sermon online and finally was able to calm down and get that peaceful feeling. Thanks for sharing!
