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Hi all, been lurking a bit as of late, it’s been hard for me too find things and topics I’m interested in discussing. My first thought was along the lines of Paul h Dunn, I was serving a mission at the time he was exposed and I know it was hard thing for many of the missionaries especially a particular sister. At the time it was one of those how could this be? And eventually put it on a shelf that everyone has their agency and even in his high position he had the agency, mixed that in with leaders never leading the church astray etc
I tried to find the podcast for that book and it is no longer on the ldsliving site. And Keith’s site is just a link back to the original. Does anyone know if any additional links? Google had none.
Conspiracy theories abound surrounding this pandemic, not citing any of your posts specifically, just an observation of talk I am hearing all over. In Southern California it is calm after the panic over tp, and the stores are back to stocked shelves mostly. Wondering what life will be like next year when this strain of flu comes around again, as all flu does in a different form.
We are working with half income, some of my kids currently are running fevers and self isolating in their homes.
I have a feeling this will take longer to be back to normal than a few weeks, not the financial impact but that the health concerns will manifest for longer than expected.
Groundhog wrote:My gf has been completely open, forthcoming, and honest and I appreciate that. It must have been extremely difficult for her. We’re in love, compatible, and believe we can share a future together so I can say I’d marry her.
It sounds like you have a good communication established with your gf. I would recommend letting that open and talk with her about this too. It can be incredibly difficult and raw.
Groundhog wrote:I’m not sure why writing this. It’s been years since the last post on this thread. I guess its cathartic to read exactly someone else who felt the same way, who has struggled with it the same way, and thus, scary at the same time.
I’m glad you commented, otherwise I probably wouldn’t have read it.
I’m in the same boat, and can say I’ve worked through it.
I don’t have a magic formula to give you, wish I did, but everyone is different. I have to admit a big part of it was my own maturity, but all those ‘reasons’ came down to jealousy, insecurity, and a whole host of other emotions all wrapped up into one big ball of crap.
I can say that it does get better with time, there is a light at the end of the tunnel. It doesn’t have to be a long and difficult path. The big part for me was not only realizing that I had my own past that she had to deal with but whatever feelings she may have felt for anyone else in the past I knew how she felt and feels about me now. Life has been full of ups and downs and our relationship has had its Ebbs and flows. during the ebbs, we wish for more flow. And during the flow we don’t realize the coming ebb.
I don’t know if my explanation has been much of a comfort in the path true getting back to a healthy balance Within yourself regarding a partner’s heart and mind. but all I can say is it does get better and you just get to a point where it doesn’t matter anymore. And then you can just love the person in the moment you are in.
Liked the story of the grandfather and grandson sharing the heart (paraphrasing of course). I like real-world stories. I know sometimes they are embellished a little but what isn’t? Khadijah thanks for sharing. I too have had compelling dreams and they can shift my perspective and change the way I look at the world around me. As for the end of the world, I have believed for a long time that we are in the last days. Not the last days of the world specifically, as no one knows the hour of our own passing.
Whether the end of the world or the end of our own lives, these are the last days. Have no fear, rely on God, we will all be returning from where we came.
I’ve noticed as looked back, today life has been constant change. I thought after returning from a mission that I was on the enduring to the end portion and would be there for the remainder of my life. Spiritually I’ve noticed that I had many main faith evolution points/moments. Joining the church, fasting, mission, getting married, having children, and then I felt like i was on a plateau for a very long time. Moments like the start of another faith evolution chapter, when looking back I was forced out of a spiritual comfort zone. Whether or not to serve a mission was one. My faith evolved through it. For a long time there were no instigators to challenge my faith or make me shift. Or I ignored them.
Long winded and rambling a little, but my three would be
I remember praying in my room as a teenager, the first time I had prayed. I had found on of these small ‘born again’ flyer/booklets about how to give your life to Christ. I started praying and felt something start to grow within me, it was not anything I have ever felt before or since, and at the time it scared me.
The death of my sister, which was the impetuous for joining the church, and taking life more seriously.
Whether or not to serve a mission which was more of a wrestle spiritually. But there was peace at the end.
Not just getting married, but the process of feeling towards another nothing I had ever felt for one person before. Making a family, and the birth of my children.
Driving on the freeway, realizing that I may not be able to trust my spiritual decision making… and the changes that followed.
More than three but these are a few of the highlights.
It’s an interesting time for sure. If I’m reading your question right you are concerned about your daughters thoughts, has (up until recently) she been going to church? And has there been no discussion or comments about you previous absence?
Maintaining social distancing and trying not to group gather even small will change how we function in society for long time to come.
I agree, my reply was tongue in cheek 
I had the same question when I first read about L&L. It seemed so cardboard, so 2 dimensional. As soon as they are walking away from the angel scolding them, them are murmuring again.
I think of these details more in alegory now, as life lessons rather than historical accuracies. Half of the scriptural stories in the Bible were based on actual events and / or people, but embellished and ‘hollywooded’ for the audience they were written for.
In short I can only think of the children of isreal feasing on Mana by day and forging golden calfs by night, King David with all his goodly help and support only to murder and adulterize.
Will using the term LDS be like using D&C (rather than saying doctrine and covenants)? On my mission it was a no-no as it was too close to an abortion medical procedure. …Didn’t make sense to me then either.
I recently got back on to Twitter and saw a lot of posts regarding saving byu etc. Not having attended I didn’t have the same feeling of nostalgia for the way things were or changes. Hopefully there will be some middle ground for people on both sides.
Welcome PTL! I hit the back button twice and I end up at my original post before I tried to post it. Then I copy to clipboard and login.
DarkJedi wrote:
… or that some blessings are entirely dependent on our faith (thus if we had enough faith the kid or bishop wouldn’t die and it’s our fault he did die because we didn;t have enough faith).
I was struggling with this one recently. I don’t know if it’s an issue for another thread but someone close to my DW and I has recently been diagnosed with cancer. As I thought about the blessing, I made a deal with God that I would do something to ensure the best outcome. I realize that this is a simplistic view like a child barganing with a parent, and I also know that I could be setting myself up for existensial disappointment (another one).
