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I do not believe in the resurrection of the body as I understand the teachings I have heard at church. I think reincarnation is possible and likely. I think we can be anything, bug, bird, tree etc. Thank you soooo much. May all go well in your interviews. Looking forward to hearing them. I am in the Why I dont believe stage right now so I need alot of Why I Believe that doesnt sound like the normal Fast and Tesitmony stuff. I just see things so different than is presented most of the time. kupord maizzed said: Are you willing to support your kids on a mission preaching Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon, obedience, and Priesthood?
I support my kids in any way I can in anything they want to do. Each one of my children has chosen on their own to serve a mission for the LDS church. I find that what one learns and how one loves others is much more important in the eternal sense than whether they teach about Joseph Smith, Book of Mormon, obedience or the Priesthood. Mind you, my children are very TBM and do NOT know that I am NOT. I find very little harm in what they are doing or teaching. They believe it and the people they are teaching either believe it or not.
I am not hurting or convelescing. I am happy to be on the journey of a lifetime. Plan on staying in the lds church even though my faith has drastically changed from what it was years ago. I am happy where I am and intend to grow more and more loving and responsive to the world. I like this place, as it is a posetive place to be on the lds message boards. The best one so far for me. The most posetive that I have found. WELCOME!!!! the time before last when i went in seeking my temple recommend I answered “I hope” to all 4 of the belief ?s and was told, “Well, we all live by faith.” It was this last time when I said “No” to the first ? and was asked if I wanted to and I said “No” again that I was NOT given a recommend. I think if you hope and want to then you are in much better position to getting a recommend. GAil
Welcome Just Mike, you will like it here. There are believers here who are open to all the doubts and discussions and present great ideas on some of the hard subjects. Thank you for sharing and for your integrity with your Bishops. I just recently told my current Bishop and he still allowed me to pray in Sacrament Meeting and has not told anyone as far as I can tell. I have no callings but VT to a very very inactive lady who my daughter found several years ago. I just love her and have NO expectations out of her and she has none out of me except that I love her and listen to her. I dont expect that i will be called to do anything under this Bishop and that is OK. I need time to reflect what to do. I think it would be awesome if my husband did the faceing east thing but he really does not do message boards at all and really is not upset openly by my situation. he is very faithfilled and trusts that I am exactly where Heavenly Father wants me to be. He appreciates my honesty so does not expect me to profess to any belief that I dont have. Gail
Welcome Salo, I do not even know if I am a humanist. I dont know enough information to say what I am. I am glad you are here and hopefully we can learn together to progress spiritually and on the continuum<(spelling?) of happiness and joy. Hope you had a great thanksgiving.
Thank you all for your replies. I found both sites. The one site gave the name of the BCC site. By Common Consent. I feel very unintellectual around all of you intellectuals. I think alot, study very little compared to all of you. I have been busy raising lots of children in the OLD FASHIONED do it yourself way and it takes alot more time than the SHARING THE BURDEN way. Oh, well. I will study more someday. I get about one book read per month. Ha Ha. ANYWAY, thanks for all the help.
I dont know them either. I just listened to their podcast from Mormonstories and was hoping to read some of their views. She has had experiences with Christ and revelation that I have yet to have AND it is so nice to believe that perhaps I might in the future. I dont feel comfortable sending her an email. Thank you for answering me. I have no life changing experiences related to the Book of Mormon. I have read it through a few times with my husband and family. I do not have a testimony of it at all. What I do recall of the Book of Mormon are things that I do not like nor agree with. I do not like war and cutting off bodyparts. Too many questions to relate to it as THE TRUTH, right now. I am not prepared to seek confirmation once more of it’s truthfulness. I never have received confirmation and have spent years and years seeking. I have concluded that for me I will love and be loved and let the magic happen if and when it does. I had a great day at church this sunday. The gal doing the lesson in RS was sooooo genuine and open to her own frailties and non condemning of anyone, including herself for NOT being perfect. The humility of this woman is soooo touching to me and I feel love and a burning in the bosom during times like that. I was so excited to not have experienced anything that was hard this sunday. I prefer not to discuss that things that are hard right now. It just makes me notice them more and makes them more real even when they are NOT happening. Like the memory becomes alive at present. I hope to keep this sunday alive for a long time to come.
Thanks for sharing, valoel.
Orson said, I hope you are taking Ray’s words to heart, I think he is trying to be loving and inclusive the way Jesus demonstrated throughout his life.
I dont know exactly which words you were referring to. I read the papers he wrote and agree with the principle of putting the good in and the bad will take care of itself. I have experienced that the new view just simply removes the old view which was the root of alot of my negative thoughts and behaviors. I am SOOOO happy to have a new view of myself, God and the world. Fabulous way to eliminate “sin” AND “transgression.” My experience says that for me it is THE only way for me to do it. I tried for years and years the control and suppression and the 4 Rs of repentence. NEVER succeeded at having any kind of spiritual experience through that method. The other method has produced a ton of being filled with love, hope, charity, faith, worth, value etc. etc. etc. I will NEVER go back to the old way of dealing with my negative thoughts or actions that are hurtful to me or others.
I appreciate the welcome. I do feel that I am in the middle somehow. By the definitions in another thread here about the differences between NOM and STAYLDS, I find I fit the definition better of the NOM and I have not found the positive conversation about the church and it’s “GOOD” to be very strong there. I do like that I find like mindedly confused people there with similar personal beliefs. And i intend to be attached to the LDS church til my death. I cannot be continually reminded of all the stuff I dont believe since I am in church 3 hours per week and listening to the TBM stuff the whole time. I really have to be in tune with the good. Right now I often come home with something I disagree with to talk to my husband about. This sunday was the first sunday in a long time that I did NOT do that. I honestly did not get uncomfortable at church this past sunday. I like that. I love the humble people in my ward. They are the most truthful, loving, open, unashamed, willing to admit their frailties people I have ever associated with in any ward EVER. I want to associate with them AND not belittle their beliefs or teachings just because I dont have them. And I need posetive input. Thank you all for sharing.
And, yes, I like to be called monkey. My dad always called me peanut and my mom called me monkey as a child. Thank you for asking. I thought it was such a great annonomous name then I found other similar names on NOM. Too funny. Always trying to be “different” while simply being exactly like everybody else. Ha. LOL
I have thought about polyamy alot during my life as a member of the lds church. I have been married for over 26 yrs and born more than 10 children. Many times my husband was interested in physical intimacy and I was in tactile overload. I thought that it would be nice if there were more than myself taking care of his needs. I also thought that it would be very very nice to share the load of caring for children so that each of us sister wives would have the possiblility of a few hours of peace without children pawing and needing and talking and questioning, like a break!!!! AND the math just doesn’t add up for me. I see no truth to the belief that polygamy is necessary here on earth NOR in the afterlife. I do NOT buy into the story that more women than men are righteous so there will be more women in Heaven than men. HOGWASH!!!! My husband is a Saint, I am the one of little faith and who has had overt negative behaviors in the past. I am happy to believe that JS had real hungar for something that led him to marry so many women, including already married women and that he explained it from a spiritual perspective. I am not certain that we will look like we look now in the afterlife anyway. The whole female/male thing is still not solid in my Eternal perspective. AND the belief just doesnt add if I attempt to look at it from the perspective of one who believes in the perpetuation of the male/female resurrected body view. Either way, I believe CK will be full of ALL of us, NOT more women than men.
That is my limited view.
I much prefer living somewhere other than Utah. I love Idaho. Some of my children who did their teens in Utah still want to live in Utah. Those who are doing their teens in Idaho want to stay in Idaho. My kids were educated at home mostly so the school influence is not much different where ever we have lived. All my kids have taken some classes at the local High School and learned to get along socially at church and school. So far no major challenges in raising kids in either situation, Utah or other states. We have lived in at least 5 different states. Idaho is the best for me personally with all my quirks. I agree that the Bishop’s make all the difference. I have only had awesome Bishop’s in Alaska and Idaho. All others were a challenge for me to love. It was in Utah that I gave up any and all hope of any of the doctrine being true. Since I have been in Idaho I have shared several times that if one were to have a relationship with Christ it would certainly happen more readily in my ward than anywhere I have ever been. Just recently I completely got straight about where I am in my belief structure. That honest should open up the possibility of renewal if it ever is to come. I choose Idaho, for what it’s worth.
