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Encyclopedia of Mormonism- “The philosophy and major tenets of Freemasonry are not fundamentally incompatible with the teaching, theology, and doctrines of the Latter-day Saints. Both emphasize morality, sacrifice, consecration, and service, and both condemn selfishness, sin, and greed. Furthermore, the aim of Masonic ritual is to instruct-to make truth available so that man can follow it.”
Having participated in Freemasonry now for some years one of the reasons I joined was to gain those items (even if in part) that I was not able to receive having been a post 1990 endowed member. Those penalty signs before they are issued in a Masonic Temple are explained to the candidate to be purely symbolic and symbolize the fact that we would “rather those things happen to us then divulge our secrets and hidden mysteries”. To top it off I feel it a shame that we no longer participate in the “Five Points of Fellowship” Because it is at that point in Masonry that we establish our complete fraternal bond one to another. I recall a conversation I had with a Bishop once on the topic of the Law of Chastity. And he stated that the Law in its self has a very basic definition that we receive in the Temple. That is “That you should have no sexual relations outside the bonds of marriage.” What does that mean? Well first off to me it means “sex” “intercourse” the very nature of sexual relations denotes the very act. I’m happy to see the post referring the youth to setting there own guidelines. Because to add much more would be to add that “law of Moses wall” around our doctrine. and we don’t need that. Love the topic mackay11
Like Ray had stated at the start of this conversation. It has always been my opinion that he already had the Priesthood from a legitimate source but during the reign of King Noah he lost God’s power to act in his name. Goldilocks wrote:I question the validity and neccessity of the temple ordinances,
This seems to be a great topic for another board!?
Are you talking about the simplification and reduction of temple ceremony to make others feel more comfortable? Old-Timer wrote:I also think that the universalization of the temple ordinances (which concept I love) has done a lot to lessen the emphasis on something beyond the first time there that would draw people back to the temple.
I’m not sure I have grasped what your trying to say Ray?
Over thousands of years the Jewish Garment the (Tallit Katan) has evolved into its current state. We are taught that Christ wore this Garment and noted its sacred significance. We read that it is within the Jewish faith to wear the garment beneath the clothing but over an undershirt. I’m sure this has to do with comfort. In seeing this ancient tradition I’m not sure why women cant wear a bra first and the garment top second. As the symbols would still be hidden yet inward. The early female pioneers had garments that went to the sleeve length. We note how this has since change. And I’m sure with the right friction the church will continue to adapt its garments to the future.
Roy you seem to have come to the point I have been trying to reach. In the early church the doctrine was taught as if that sealing would save all. I think this was because the second endowment was commonplace. As you pointed out Pres. Faust teaches that a price must be paid and I think its because we lack (as a church) that ordinance that once was common. And thus those quotes from the past don’t actually apply to us. But I also think as Joseph Smith -“If the church knew half the commandments G-d had for them, 1/2 would apostasies and the other 1/2 would just not listen. I think the same is true for all the doctrine that could be had. I have held this theory in the back of my mind with an understanding of acceptance. If it is “True” It does allow that avenue for more information on a heavenly mother. Brigham said out right that Joseph taught him the doctrine. And went on to say that if it was JS who taught it everyone would have accepted it and moved on. I know he took it to the twelve for ratification and it was shut down. The church later declared the doctrine to be heresy. I agree that that many more people will be exalted then the main steam thinks. President Wilford Woodruff was clear when he said “I tell you when the prophets and apostles go to preach to those who are shut up in prison . . . thousands of them will there embrace the gospel.
They know more in that world than they do here.” However the question stand simply because of a switch in policy. Later GA’s have stated that the sealing power is conditional upon certain criteria. I think this is the case because most members do not have their full endowment (part2) unlike the early church where the second endowment was common place.
