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Spencer W. Kimball said in General Conference 1976: Quote:“We hope that you who teach in the various organizations, whether on the campuses or in our chapels, will always teach the orthodox truth. We warn you against the dissemination of doctrines which are not according to the scriptures and which are alleged to have been taught by some of the General Authorities of past generations. Such, for instance, is the Adam-God theory. We denounce that theory and hope that everyone will be cautioned against this and other kinds of false doctrine.”
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http://www.lds.org/general-conference/1976/10/our-own-liahona?lang=eng&query=adam+god+theory Orson, I have an answer to the original 6 members (thanks to Michael Marquardt).
Quote:Baptisms were performed for Joseph Smith Sr., Lucy Mack Smith, Martin Harris, and a “Rockwell”–that is Sarah Rockwell.
He also makes a pretty strong case that the church was organized in Manchester, rather than Fayette. See
http://mormonheretic.org/2013/06/23/where-was-the-lds-church-organized-in-fayette-or-manchester-ny/ Ray, I completely agree that Nauvoo era polygamy was not “take care of the widows.” However, after reading “More Wives than One”, there was a much larger element of taking care of widows in Utah. I agree that it doesn’t explain the whole story, but Daines (a BYU professor) says that they would often pair a poor woman with a rich man, and it was a way to lift the poor out of poverty. Frankly, when I read Rough Stone Rolling, I got the heebee jeebees about polygamy. I didn’t like the polyandrous sealings at all. Brigham completely removed this aspect in Utah, and Daines book made me feel better about polygamy. (I even told her that when I met her in person.) The constricting that you find in Utah was a good thing, IMO. I didn’t like the free-wheeling of Joseph Smith. As far as sealing the entire human family, there’s a post at W&T about sealing, and I’d be curious to hear your thoughts. I just don’t understand why we seal children to parents–perhaps I’m stuck on the constricted BY version of sealing. See
http://www.wheatandtares.org/12137/bic-whats-the-point/ Ray, I’m curious why you like Nauvoo polygamy better than Utah polygamy. I’m the opposite. When we hear that “polygamy was to take care of the widows because men died”, there’s much more truth to that in the Utah era than the Nauvoo era. What makes you like Nauvoo more than Utah? Quote:And we know of President Wilford Woodruff’s statement: “I say to Israel, the Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as president of the Church to lead you astray. It is not in the program. It is not in the mind of God” (The Discourses of Wilford Woodruff, pp. 212–13). This was said during the Priesthood ban, which was condemned in 2012, so we know the people had been led astray.
Shawn, rather than tying that quote to the priesthood ban, the better context of the quote is that it was immediately following the Manifesto. Woodruff was trying to calm the saints who questioned the elimination of polygamy, and was reassuring them that it was a real revelation and that he wouldn’t lead them astray. (Certainly there were many who felt Woodruff was leading the saints astray by eliminating polygamy.)
What is PM? It appears it has something to do with polygamy, but I can’t tell what the letters stand for. Here’s my perspective:
http://mormonheretic.org/2009/05/17/my-perspective-on-polygamy/ We have been told that we need to get our own testimonies. Polygamy brought forth the sealing power, which is a pretty cool doctrine, but I have a hard time believing that polygamy is required by God. We get man-made doctrines all the time that need fixing (black ban, Adam-God to name a few.) God puts up with an amazing amount of ambiguity and false doctrine, but as mankind progresses, we do seem to get it right, despite sometimes millenia of false ideas.
I did a couple of posts on Mormon women blessing the sick. http://mormonheretic.org/2010/10/26/mormon-women-blessing-the-sick/ http://mormonheretic.org/2011/02/19/stapleywright-discuss-healings-by-mormon-women/ Here is an interesting one in which Sidney Rigdon claimed that Emma actually held the Melchizedek Priesthood:
http://mormonheretic.org/2009/05/05/women-and-the-melchizedek-priesthood/ Here’s my top 5: 1. Early Black Mormons/Priesthood ban
2. Succession Crisis
3. What happened to JS’s family?
4. Trial of JS’s assassins
5. Schismatic Mormon Groups
With honorable mention of the Hoffman bombings and polygamy basics. I’d love to see some scholarly documentaries on these topics.
I agree–I think it’s a pretty fair treatment. (And it might be nice to point out that the author of the article, John G. Turner, is not LDS–some may view that as good, while others won’t.) I wrote a transcript of John Dehlin’s interview of Richard Bushman. I wouldn’t call it a synopsis of Rough Stone Rolling, but Dehlin asks many questions that Bushman addresses in his book. It may be an easier read than RSR, and may give you a flavor of RSR, though Dehlin touches many other topics as well. See http://mormonheretic.org/2012/06/30/the-bushman-interviews/ Christian Vuissa directed a movie called “Joseph Smith: PLates of Gold”. Richard Bushman was one of the people consulted on teh film. It’s not put out by the church, but is VERY faith promoting. THe movie depicts the actual translation process, and clearly shows that Joseph translated with the plates no where near him. The movie hasn’t received much publicity, but I think it is an awesome movie: faith promoting, AND historically accurate. I highly recommend it. http://www.amazon.com/Joseph-Smith-Volume-1-Plates-Gold/dp/1608615383 I don’t understand your question about “this practice”. Are you referring to the Catholic prayer? (If so, could you provide more details? I’m not at all familiar with it.) Are you simply asking if it is ok to pray for the dead? What you’ve described sounds pretty awesome, and I think it’s a pretty cool practice. I can’t think of any reason to stop doing it. I read a book called “The Message” after my brother died about 5 years ago. It’s written by an LDS man with a Near Death Experience. (He has since died.) Anyway, he said that the dead that we know often come to us and support us. In a way, our family members are like the promptings of the Holy Ghost. It’s given me a new perspective. I often wonder if my brother and sister are prompting me, and comforting me in times of distress.
