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Heber13 wrote:DancingCarrot wrote:
straight people don’t understand gay/trans/queer people with sexual orientation issues….He doesn’t have to think about how to be inclusive because he’s already included.
Amen.
And Amen.
I have not read all of the replies and I’m sure that they have been good, the support here is quite wonderful. This is all I have to add to the discussion. I read this on a blog the other day and found it to put into words how I feel about my current church activity. It makes it so much less scary to be an active, faithful member that has doubts: Quote:I don’t need the church to be true – I just need it to be good. I don’t need the church to be right, I need it to be just. I don’t need it to be pure, I just need it to be honest. I don’t need to hear how great the church is, I need to hear how glorious Jesus was. I don’t even need it to be liberal – I just need it to be kind and inclusive. I don’t need the church to give me all of the answers, I simply need it to hear my questions. I don’t need the church’s judgement, I need its acceptance.
The entire blog post can be read here:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/kiwimormon/2014/11/anguished-musings-on-a-frayed-testimony/ ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://www.patheos.com/blogs/kiwimormon/2014/11/anguished-musings-on-a-frayed-testimony/ “I consider charity—or the “pure love of Christ”—to be the opposite of criticism and judging. In speaking of charity, I do not at this moment have in mind the relief of the suffering through the giving of our substance. That, of course, is necessary and proper. Tonight, however, I have in mind the charity that manifests itself when we are tolerant of others and lenient toward their actions; the kind of charity that forgives; the kind of charity that is patient…. Charity is having patience with someone who has let us down; it is resisting the impulse to become offended easily. It is accepting weaknesses and shortcomings. It is accepting people as they truly are. It is looking beyond physical appearances to attributes that will not dim through time. It is resisting the impulse to categorize others.” —President Thomas S. Monson It’s a great talk about tolerance and charity.
Please explain this passing the sacrament issue? Are you really implying that women can’t stand up and walk with a sacrament tray? My son just began his mission service to New Mexico. I’m drawn to all things missionary. I hope Germany enjoys your daughter. She sounds like a hoot! Your situation with your husband has been handled poorly. I hope your visit with the bishop went well and you’ve been able to convey your concerns to a sympathetic ear. A note about your scout calling … I would prefer that leaders ask me directly how my calling is going rather than rely on what my husband says or thinks. Too often leaders assume they know what is happening or what one spouse wants then so does the other. This causes huge issues. I say the counselor was perfectly correct in how he handled it. Hopefully, you answered him honestly and confirmed what your husband said. Too often women get pushed here and there and do/don’t get callings based the men in their lives say. That’s wrong. If someone wants to know what I think they should ask me and not my husband. He’s a great guy but he he’s not me.
Lots of us feel disaffected at church in the current political climate. You can find a whole bunch of us on Facebook on the Mormons for Obama page. There is also LDS and Left of Center. According to the link Thoreau provided there can be one fundraising activity within the boundaries of the stake or ward. It says it should be for camp or an annual activity or to purchase equipment. It never mentions Young Men or Young Women or Scouts. Friends of Scouting is mentioned separately. Kipper wrote:observant wrote:I haven’t read this whole thread but I just want to say thanks to those who still pay tithing. It provides me with employment. it is my hope that my work is at least somewhat important and relevant.
How does me paying tithing provide you with employment?
I am an employee of the church.
I haven’t read this whole thread but I just want to say thanks to those who still pay tithing. It provides me with employment. it is my hope that my work is at least somewhat important and relevant. I had an interview with the Bishop this past Sunday for my recommend. I believe it was this question where he read it to me, paused then looked at me askew with a smirk on his face after I answered yes (but it could have been with any of the first 3 questions). And then I explained my answer as, “Well, at least as much as you do.” He showed he agreed by nodding his head. Sometimes it’s great having your husband as the Bishop but sometimes it just really sucks. This was one of the better moments. Most of the time he’s cool with my questioning and struggles (because as you can see he has his, too) but sometimes he just loses his cool!
