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I think this forum will fail if apologetics are allowed.

I agree, and I think that Ray demonstrated exactly what is wrong with the standard TBM answers. The way I read it, the original post talks about the greatness of other religions and asks if we are right in assuming that their baptism isn’t good enough. Ray responds that work for the dead (believing that their baptism isn’t good enough) isn’t at all condescending or arrogant, but that it actually shows that we aren’t any better than anyone else. Ray can put whatever apologetic spin on it that he wants, but most of the world regards this practice as condescending and arrogant. When called on it, Ray just can’t seem to understand.

People who come here have probably heard all of the TBM answers. They’ve heard the ‘just because 10 prophets in a row taught that, it never really was doctrine’ response, they’ve heard the ‘this particular failing with the church is only becuase local leaders aren’t perfect–if the local leaders would just do what the brethren have been teaching, things would be different’ answer, they’ve heard the ‘denying this group the priesthood really is a blessing for them–they are better off without the priesthood’ response. People who come here are looking for something different. They are looking for people to validate, not minimize, their concerns while at the same time showing the value that exists in the church and why it might be worth staying.

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