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Thanks for breaking that down for me. I am really trying to do better at reading something and trying to find out what it is REALLY saying, as opposed to my assumptions on what is being said. Not looking further into things, one can miss out on a lot.. so I’m learning. Old-Timer wrote:the command is not, “Thou shalt not lie.” It is, “Thou shalt not bear false witness.” Those are two very different things.
Out of curiousity… how are you separating these two?
Nathan wrote:do not give into the emotionally satisfying temptation to see your dual worship as a predicament that requires resolution; refuse to conclude that it’s got to be one or the other.
Something I’m currently learning, and working towards. Thanks Nathan, I really do appreciate your words! Be blessed
I don’t know if I’m just hormonal… or what… 😆 
Wow Nathan, I am definitely intrigued by your story at the moment. I’d like to say I find myself in a similar boat, but have not come to grip with it as well as it seems you have.
Nathan wrote:Most of us struggle with competing loyalties: be they more fundamental such as one’s loyalty to reason on the one hand and spiritual affirmation on the other, or more complex such as loyalty to one’s non-member spouse and loyalty to one’s denomination/tradition (especially when children are involved).
I find this to be true for myself… but as you said for another post
I currently attend church with my husband. It’s a Baptist church, but I believe they are geared towards more Pentecostal beliefs, and as of last week have changed the church name to not include a denomination at all. I serve in that church, help with their children’s church, and Evangelism outings, and all kinds of things that a part of me feels guilty about, while another part of me does not feel guilty about. I’m a ‘closet mormon’ over there, no one knows of my LDS beliefs and culture (except for my husband). At the same time, I can’t help but realize how much I’ve spiritually grown. So it really struck a chord with me when you said:
Nathan wrote:a much younger me (though thrilled to see I ended up a Chaplain) would certainly have been disturbed to learn what living faithfully looks like for me now.
Couldn’t agree more.
It is my prayer that at some point I’ll be able to live both, or even chose one, and be completely happy with it. Especially now that we’re expecting (WooHoo!) excited, but nervous as to how this is all going to work… Looking forward to hearing more from you Nathan!
Thanks for checking it out for me. That was my assumption as well, but then I thought “There’s no way one person has all of this, and no sources listed” but I guess its possible! Appreciate your help! This was definitely insightful. True altruism can be tough for people, but oh the blessings that pour out from such a heart. Looking forward to hearing more! SamBee wrote:I use surgical alcohol to get rid of excess dirt on my face.
Come to think of it, my husband does the same thing after he uses clippers to “edge” his hair. I guess I was just thinking if alcohol in the ‘what we consume’ sense. But I see from what you’ve said, whisky works as well. Will definitely pass the word along!
cwald wrote:Tobacco does take care of worms, I know this from experience.
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Gross! But definitely good to know…. lolCadence wrote:I say drink any tea you want. Avoid things that are bad for you, partake of those that are good. Do not rely on a contradictory doctrine to guide you to health. Use your common sense. I can no longer try and parse the WofW into what is OK and what is forbidden. It becomes a matter of splitting hairs.
Agreed. I just think its important to note this this is not in scripture a commandment, but a word of wisdom. So like you said, use your common sense.
I’m quite the ignorant one on this topic (as of many topics to be honest 🙄 ) but I think for the first time ever I pulled out good old section 89 and actually READ it… I had NO IDEA that caffeine isn’t mentioned in it! lol…. boy do I feel duped. And who washes their bodies with Jack Daniels? (I might just have to start a new bathing routine
Anyway.. I couldn’t help but wonder where we got all of the breakdowns we have today? The forbidden’ness’ of liquor, is mentioned many times throughout different scriptures, in my interpretation, and I understand that. I am thankful for the Wisdom that this Word imparts… but I’m not too sure if this is something that should deem you ‘worthy’ or ‘unworthy’.
The whole ‘hot drinks’ thing… *shrugs* I love a good cup of coffee. In Puerto Rico, the members drink a chicory coffee… mixed with milk and tons of sugar this stuff is DELISH (rumor has it, thats its actually good for you)! I’m not sure what the members do out here in the Netherlands, as I haven’t been to church out here just yet, but I know they have to do something. Hot drinks are such a huge part of the culture.
I dont know, I feel kind of odd at the moment, having actually read what the WofW is saying (finally, lol), and am thoroughly confused at how its being applied. To me it is a word of wisdom, advice given that you may choose to follow or not follow, or pick and chose what works for you. If you want to drink some tea, then by golly, drink some tea… You might run and be a little weary, walk, and possibly faint… but I personally don’t think it will affect your salvation.
This is a tough one… I guess for me, answers to my prayers usually happen in hindsight. I’ll look back at a situation and realize “Hey! My prayer was answered, it might not have been what I wanted, but God knew what was best and gave me that, and who would have guessed… it worked” Usually thats how it happens for me. And not too sound too TBM *shudder* lol…
😆 I find a lot of my prayers are answered while I am reading scripture, (not always scripture, I can be reading a book also), and something just really hits me in a different way. I’m able to apply that to whatever prayer is in my life at the moment.Euhemerus wrote:However, recently a lot of research has pointed out that there is little to no reliable evidence for anti-depressants having a measurable effect on reducing depression. Scientists never have known how they worked, and recently it was discovered that they are approximately as effective as a placebo (in fact the placebo effect seems to be what is helping depressed people when taking anti-depressants). I read an article in which the author was facing a moral dilemma of whether or not to tell his closest friends about this new finding. I think this situation is much tougher than the two “extreme” examples. If we continue to allow everyone to believe something that isn’t necessarily “true,”
what progress are we impeding that could lead to something that actually helps depressed people?How many people are avoiding Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (something that is shown to work very well) because they believe their drugs do something? After all, real progress in depression comes from working through it internally. OTOH, no one wants to explain to an already depressed person that their medication actually has no more effect than a placebo. It’s like pouring salt in the wound! This analogy really resonated with me! (maybe its the psych major in me) Just because things
mightbe false, does not mean its not getting you where you need to be. Just thought I’d let you know this was great. Well said Ray.. Mormons in many areas are truly HATED. I’ve heard and seen this in quite a few places. It saddens me, and I’m not sure who is to blame. Seems to me like the only ones to blame are ourselves (if you chose to place yourself in the Mormon category). I would much rather cast out the beam in my own eye before looking at the mote in any one elses eye. (much much easier said than done) I see the hatred from others many times as ignorance, intolerance from not having the patience to learn… maybe intolerance on our level from not having the patience to really teach? It goes around in circles…. and IMO, to break that cycle you can only look upon yourself.
Very interesting… so then it is not necessarily a matter of scripture, but a matter of culture and personal preference over each person’s own interpretation of scripture? (whoa, thats fully loaded, and hopefully can be deciphered.. lol) One of those things thats not right or wrong? Maybe I should cut my husband some slack? lol.. My husband and I were just talking about this not too long ago. He’s not a member, and I guess I am. He currently has 5 tattoos, 1 of which I think is ridiculous (c’mon, a high school nickname with $100 bills.. 🙄 ) the others are quite spiritual to him and more meaningful to him. Anyway.. he mentioned to me that he really wants a “back piece”.. I looked at him with my left eyebrow ever so highly arched and questioned him. DH has committed his life to his evangelical church upbringing, and I’m slowly accepting that, once he decided to go back to his church he also said that was the end of his tattoos. The Bible forbids it (somewhere in Leviticus
:Anywho… all that to say I’m glad this topic was brought up as it is something being discussed in my home currently. I’m looking forward to hearing everyones’ thoughts. I wonder if my way of thinking is because of my upbringing, and not scriptural by any means.
