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hawk i have found this topic extremely helpful, do you have any more references or resources that further analyze types in the LDS faith?
HiJolly wrote:
I would say, “if the messenger issentby HF”. This is a clear distinction from simply being “inspired by”. The temple endowment is clear on this, IMO. Good point.
Also, truly, God has a love of wisdom.
HiJolly wrote:FIFTH: Everything we hear in Church, everything in General Conference, in the Ensign, etc. is what the temple endowment refers to as “the doctrines of men, mingled with scripture”. It is all hindered by the limitations of mortals struggling themselves to understand, even within the Church. The temple tells us where to get the ‘pure’ truth. There is only one source: True messengers from Father. How shall you know…?
isn’t it “philosophies of men”?
With that said, do you think that God knows how to best apply the truth to human experience? Therefore doesn’t God also have a philosophy?
So if the messenger is truly inspired by HF do you think that just quite possibly his philosophy isn’t of men?
Just a thought
INTJ strong intuitive
1% thinker, i’m more of a mover
used to be intp, the older i get i’ve been testing as INTJ and now its really consistent
hawkgrrrl wrote:There are times when I think “that person doesn’t have the spirit,” but then I find that someone else really gets a lot from that person.
Thank you for the insight.
Helps me to realize that I need to expand my awareness and stop being so selfish.
LHS, I likewise am bipolar + anxiety, and I totally empathize with you in that regard. I’ve noticed that most people in general are extroverted, and in the Church most people will leave you alone or “respect your agency” because they assume you want to be left alone due to inactivity. I know that as I’ve expressed interest in others or asked for help or assistance I’ve noticed members open up more and become more inclusive. I know that my experience is subjective however I bet if you make some phone calls like you’ve mentioned you’ll be surprised and the ward may just open up more to you. Meet them halfway as best you can! One thing that has helped me get through similar experiences is looking upon those in the ward with compassion because they aren’t always choosing to be as Christlike as the Gospel teaches them, and I do my best to be an example for them.
Hope this helps.
To add a little more perspective, I’ve been reading about the stages of faith, and I am finding myself shifting through phases 4/5/6, back and forth depending on the principle and experience.
Poppyseed wrote:In your case, I wonder if some more expansive communication with your bishop would help. The loving kind of course. Maybe it would help if you outlined your need set or explained how his neglect makes you feel. Perhaps some of it is your work to do without him, or maybe a good thorough conversation would help him open his heart to you.
I had a meeting with my bishop last night and was feeling in a good mood. The secretary is my HT and also a good guy so we talked for a little while before hand so that helped draw me out of my cave a little. Once I got to talking with the bishop, communications were really positive this time, and I opened up a lot more about certain questions and concerns and feelings I had (I am a thinker) and my bishop really did open up and I think he realized why I had been so closed for a while, and the conversation just got better. Things feel a lot better, I could actually feel the Spirit working while reading some scriptures with him this time. Funny thing is, I hadn’t read these responses until this morning, which tells me that your suggestion is truly wise
HiJolly, your outline is indeed very helpful, in a lot of ways it puts into words how I think and feel.
