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I’ve never heard of it at church. I bought several commentaries on the Talmud a few years back and that’s how I initially run across it. After I searched online I found the BYU article. So some Mormons must think it was JS? I like that answer Eternity4Me. And Stan, sorry for taking the original post as an invititation to discuss PH and sexism.
Hi beccaboo! I have been following your thread and praying that everything works out for you. You have already received excellent advice so I have nothing to add except God bless you. Thanks for sharing your story, stan. Also, thanks for the other stayers’ replies. I also sometimes worry how much culpability i have for my daughters being inactive. I have not been a good example to my daughters (more of an example of what not to do) but I did drag them to church occasionally when they were young, and they have been baptized. Neither are active as adults but neither have a desire to leave the LDS church. They will defend it if confronted with antis.
I’ve always prayed to HFather to make up for my inadequacies and my daughters know this. I just keep in mind that H Father loves them more than I have the capacity to do and He will have an individual plan of salvation for them (and me too)
Thanks Stan! And i apologize for taking your “Why did God give men the PH?” thread in a much different direction than you intended.
The “yes” and “YES” were referring to the question whether I felt the loss of the spirit when ex’d. And yes I would fight to not let that happen again. I have dyslexia and a touch phone that I haven’t gotten the hang of so forgive the garbled posts I have made and probably will make
Another + 1 on Roy’s post. I used to study Jewish legends about the lost 10 tribes and they referenced Hoseah’s children as a being a type and shadow/symbolic of the future gathering. Just read the difference between ” minisistering” and “administering” and they have very different connotations. D&C 13 uses “ministering” not “administering”. So the authority is quite limited. Still doesn’t annull how a little knowledge, imagined authority, and misguided good intentions can be dangerous. Well I’m gonna have faith that I can dispute a moderator without getting banned and say there are a bunch of types of angels. We have angels that are fiery and spiritual, angels that appear like regular people, Watchers that procreated with women, seraphim, chebrium, guardian angels, fallen angels, archangels…. hosts of Heaven, strange winged females and spiritual horse entities (the latter two in Zechariah). SD, yes I did. YES. I will not willing submit to a displinary meeting to take that away again. I will research any talks, scripture, and appeal it all the way to the the GAs if I had to. I would defend it as the seedy lawyers that defended OJ Simpson when murdered Nicole. Any loophole I can find. And I am not “worthy” or active. But if I’m not an anti I believe that I should not be stripped of that stiil small voice I suppose I appreciate it more now but not enough to play the role of a TBM with endurance. I did it long enough to get it back and I did put forth a sincere effort.
I didn’t really read scriptures, explore other possible paths as much until ex’d. I wanted to regain something that was gone. It was real but I cannot really articulate it. It was like feeling lost and being “chaff in the wind” or a piolet that lost the auto piolet feature. It was all manual and more difficult to navigate. That drove me to study different paths and the compass always pointed back to LDS.
What happened to my post about God upholding authority but punishing later? Instead I have a double post. And for the person that said that they lost a child, I’m so so sorry for that devastation. It is a cruel irony that people who want children can’t have them and those that don’t want them seem to have no problem procreating… even aborting them 
I believe that women have access to ALL spiritual gifts but the PH is supposed to grant ” authority”. I was just saying what would Rachael do with the authority. Like the two scenarios of the nursery or school, perhaps I would meet and debate with a staunch atheist. Maybe I would get tired and frustrated with them. Perhaps I would use my “authority” to call down an angel to give that person an Alma the Younger or Paul experience. That ain’t right. But I might do it anyway. I don’t like that about myself. Just being honest And stan I am one of one of those that had the temporal/eternal blessings taken away for a time. I have been ex’d. I’m rebaptized and endowed. Also inactive. I don’t want to suffer like KK by being cast out. I lay low. I have faith in the afterlife. I have to believe that I’m worth more than a baby factory or a member of a heram. I have more faith in Christ than that. OK I will likely offend someone and I’m only speaking for me .. but isn’t one of the PH powers is to call down administering angels? If so I would do it. If I was a bishop-tess and the person assigned to nursery duty was a no show, no problem. I would called an angel down to fill in. The parameters say I can so I would try it. Maybe it is a misunderstanding on my part but I haven’t been active in a while or read the particulars lately. I do think women (stereotypically with many exceptions) have a tendency to push the envelope more than men (eg Eve.) Would I be tempted to dust my feet off at a school if my children were bullied but the powers that be wouldn’t stop it? Probably.
I don’t remember if it was in an official manual or one of those white horse prophecies in which JS saw Adam and Eve in a vision. They were equal in stature and glory so sexual dimorphism is done away with in the afterlife. That is radical (and equalizing as well when you’re sick of being the weaker sex).
