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On Own Now wrote:
I think that description of your husband is an apt description of a majority of men in the Church… They are good people, trying to do good things, and grateful for the opportunity. They are just unaware.
This makes me think that instead of protests or demonstrations, we should have International Explain It to your Husband Day.
This is exactly why I think women do need to be ordained. Because the men of the church are good people, trying to do good things, but they fall short. I think that the fact that there are so many unequal policies, wording and ordinances in the church, even with good men running it, is why we need women to be making decisions as well.
DarkJedi wrote:I agree, Hawkgrrrl. It is the inequality that needs to be fixed. I saw a national news report on the OW protest (where, by the way, an usher is heard asking one to leave) which included poll stats indicating most LDS, and most women, are opposed to ordaining women. I would bet far fewer support the inequalities. Still, there are those women who simply don’t think about it or are so into the idea that the church is true no matter what that they don’t see it as an issue. Frankly, most of those inequalities would be quite easy to fix – they’re mostly policy.
From what I understand, members of the news media were asked to leave, in accordance with their new policy, but the group in general was not.
mom3 wrote:My husband wrote this last night, it’s his letter that he would have sent to OW had he been the PR department. It’s not an endorsement of them or a rejection, but a way he and I believe this could have been addressed, since it seems important to have addressed it at all.
Quote:Dear Sisters of Ordain Women Movement.
We know many of you will be in Salt Lake near downtown Saturday evening of General Conference weekend. Priesthood Session starts at 6pm. Starting at 4:30pm in the Joseph Smith Building Ballroom, we would like to invite you to a buffet dinner. Sister whoosits, the general RS president wishes to host a dinner for you all, with a live feed coming in from priesthood session into the JS Memorial Building. After the session, the building will remain open until 11pm with snacks, ice-cream, internet access, and plenty of cozy sitting areas for small or large gatherings to discuss the messages heard during the session. If you wish, you may invite your spouses, but this evening will be for you sisters to enjoy each other company, listening (if you desire) to the messages from priesthood session.
If any of you are coming from great distance, we wish to host you as an overnight guest of ours in a nearby hotel.
We hope to maintain the reverence you sisters brought to temple square six months ago and hope this opportunity to gather, mingle, and listen to the words of men who have been called as leaders will inspire you to achieve great things. We believe in you so much. Welcome to Salt Lake City.
With Warm Regards,
The First Presidency.
I am supporter of the Ordain Women action, I don’t agree with all their tactics right now, but I’m need something! I need to not be silent and overlooked, and they have the only acceptable solution. I don’t love all of what they are doing, but hey, I don’t feel that way about the church either.
This letter would have been awesome, but isn’t it interesting that your husband doesn’t know the name of the General Relief Society President, while I assume he knows the names of the First Presidency.
I don’t know off the top of my head either, in fact I can’t reliably name any general auxiliary leaders of the church, but could come up with all of the FP and Q12. Isn’t that sad?
Thoreau wrote:Are you the RS president or a counselor? If you’re the president then things are not being done properly. If you’re a counselor then the RS president is the one not keeping you in the loop, not the bishopric.
I’m an counselor. And they both are not communicating with me. It was the job of the RSP to convey messages that were never conveyed. It was the job of the bishop to accept our recommendations for teachers. But according to church policy he should take our recommendations and extend the callings but does have the final say.
My problem is that I’m just mad at everyone right now. I’m mad at the RSP for not communicating (and other stuff), I’m mad at the Bishop for not asking for our recommendations (and other stuff) and I’m mad that church policy means that the Bishop, a person who has never in his whole time as bishop (and probably ever) has ever set foot in a Relief Society meeting has the power to give and take away people from our organization. The person with all the power has no personal investment.
I’m just mad.
Maybe it is a a grieving process, for a couple of years I denied that I have any problems with the church that I can’t solve. I told myself that I could work it out, put on a happy face and even make the church a better place.
I can’t do that, now I’m just mad.
And I’m pretty sure that the bishop’s response to being mad will be to release me.
mackay11 wrote:
On the one hand I might suggest: “if it’s not working for you, change perspective so part of it does.”But on the other hand… my wife has stopped going and has found more peace and purpose. She misses being part of the community, but she has found other things she appreciates instead.
That is a great suggestion, but I am totally out of ways to change perspective. I’ve been working off of “see the beauty of the church despite the flaws of the people” and “go for the good you can do for people” and “be selfless and support your family” and “enjoy the good and ignore the bad”. These have all been wonderful and helpful tools, but their usefulness has worn out. I’ve fully committed to all of them, they all have worked for me, but even stretching my rope longer than I thought it was possible, and holding on to the very end of it, every time I think I’ve reached the bottom of the pit, it gets a little deeper.
So yesterday was even worse. I honestly didn’t even get through the sacrament.
Started with ward council being cancelled and everyone being told except me. (actually I wasn’t more than slightly annoyed at this, I mean, less meetings are always good)
Then my daughter earned her honor bee and was awarded it in Sacrament Meeting. I already have a problem with this because boys get a court of honor all to themselves which, in our ward, they cancel YW for all the girls to attend, yet the YW get a pendant in SM. But it was clear that the bishop had
no idea whatsoeverwhat the award was, what it meant, or how my daughter earned it. He just didn’t care. It was “we are awarding this, ummm what is this? To (daughter) because she” ___pause, looks down at book and read a partial explanation of requirements___. Then without telling me (I’m in the RS presidency) 2/3 of the RS board including all of the teachers except the one that was called last Sunday were released.
On the one hand, I am mostly frustrated with our bishop because he is the one that directly did all of these things. On the other hand, the church is structured in a way that makes these things happen. The YW program simply isn’t as wide-ranging, challenging or accepted as the scouting program. Bishops are supposed to call members of the Relief Society program in consultation with the presidency, but they don’t and there are no consequences. It is in the Personal Progress book guidelines that awards are to be given in sacrament meeting (although totally the Bishop’s fault that he has no idea what the awards are).
Honestly I think I need a break from the church right now. I dropped my daughter off for seminary today, and going into the building just filled me with such anger and frustration.
I think the bishop was purposefully deceptive. If asked, I’m sure he would say that he didn’t say he was cured, and he’s sorry if he gave that impression. What he did say is that “blood tests are cancer free”. That is very good news it means he is able to receive a further treatment. But to most people, it sounded like he was saying he was cured.
Really it is days like this that make me question if I can balance all of this.
nibbler wrote:
Also… I bet you could do pull-ups better than I could.I doubt it, I and uniquely bad a pull-ups. My daughter isn’t that great at them either, but she can run a sub 7 minute mile, and taught herself to climb 5.10 rock grades.
I had Kerry as a teacher when he was a graduate student and I was an undergrad. He is a really good guy. If you want to make him happy, ask him about hands in the Old Testament.
I would ask their opinion on if they feel that all the stories in scriptures are literally true. And must we believe in the literalness of scripture to believe in the truth of scripture. In other words, is it reasonable to accept the truth of the principles, without accepting the truth of the events.
roobytoos wrote:
Well, when our son came home, he didn’t want to talk about it. At all. He sat on my lap and cried for 2 hours until he fell asleep. He woke up and proceeded to tell us that he was hungry the whole time, there was never enough food (and he’s not one of those teenage boys that eat constantly) he never got enough to drink and was forced to participate in square dancing. (He did Irish dance for years, he knows how, he’s willing, he was tired) He said it felt like they walked 20 miles a day (it was more like 5, but still, it was hard) until he was physically exhausted and had to sit around the campfire and listen to dead baby stories.It traumatized the kid.
He slept on the floor in our bedroom for a week, because the “dead baby stories” gave him nightmares.
I think Trek is overrated.
I’m so sorry, your son sounds like a very compassionate person.
We had a planning meeting this week, and several things have changed from the email that was sent out. They couldn’t get permission to do lots of stuff.
So we are camping in the same place every night, and just doing out and back loops for the handcarting.
The camping location is near a lake that is a popular beach hang-out, half the walking will be on asphalt, and some of it through residential neighborhoods.
😯 The youth were told to bring swimming suits.
This is going to be a strange trek.
Kumahito wrote:It would also totally freak out the TBMs when Satan refers to his/her apron and says “It’s an emblem of my power, and priesthoods.” Man, they’d lose it.
😈 Yeah, women don’t even get Satan’s priesthood.
cwald wrote:
If the institution says it’s okay to doubt and question, then THEY need to hold local leaders accountable when they push those people out and damage families.
+1
Too bad you don’t have more publicity like the MormonThink editor.
mom3 wrote:
Maybe you can find happy journal entries, and positive pioneer stories to tell. Again, good luck.That is a fantastic idea.
Quote:Rifle shooting and hatchet throwing…probably the only fun part of the trek.
Why would you complain about that?
I have no problem with it at all, if it is taught and supervised by someone who knows what they are doing; both with handling a gun and instructing and supervising youth.
I do have a problem with Brother X who just bought his first 30-06 for Father’s day and wants to show it off.
I don’t mind restrictions on what the youth bring. I mind a random leader (most likely a stranger) being assigned to search their belongings for them, including looking in pockets etc. They literally justify the small water rations by saying their thirst will bring them closer to God and each other.
