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Have you ever thought that the temple experience is really just for this life? A paradox, I know, but just as funerals are for the living, so too are perhaps temple covenants there primarily to make this life a smoother ride until we can know the truth?
My feelings as well, the part of eternity that a temple sealing is really needed is this part.
I used to live in Florida and go to the temple alone regularly. On the way home I would stop at a little museum that has a large collection of Tiffany glass, including a whole chapel he designed but was never used in an ecclesiastical setting. I felt more at peace there than at the temple. Temple attendance was my “church worship”, going to the museum was my “personal worship”. Quote:I can’t take a sabbatical now, I want to help her bear this burden. As exhausted as I feel, I can’t walk away from her when she is in need of support, love, and a listening ear.
After a tough couple of weeks, that is what I go to church for too. I pick and choose what speakers and teachers to listen to, and focus on the people there who need love. It has made church a more positive experience.
Quote:Do you think it was some kind of claustrophobic reaction to having the men gathered around you like that?
That is a good point, it may have been. I never close my eyes during prayers because that bothers me. (I love how doing so is so personal, no one can ask me about it unless they don’t do it either, in which case…)
So during the whole prayer I see that I am surrounded by a group of men and since I’m sitting, it is from a very awkward perspective.
Do you think this posture is meant to be humbling? Because sitting there surrounded by men who are trying to be gentle, but still put a decent amount of weight on my head gives me a feeling of powerlessness, not humility. I do think that it is the feeling of being surrounded and having to trust in the good will of the people surrounding me that made me feel that way. Especially since they were already making me do something I didn’t want to do.
Next time, I will request that it be kept to a couple of people who stand behind me, that is a great idea.
That is the weird thing; mentally, no biggie, emotionally, it was quite unpleasant. Maybe I was emotional about it because I felt like I was being forced to?
Now I am wondering how long I can go without ever having a similar style of ordinance; men gathered around with hands on my head.
I think if I am careful, a long time.
That is what is strange to me, I went in trying to frame it in a way that it was harmless and well intentioned and I still had a deep visceral reaction against doing it. I wonder what would have happened if I had just put my foot down and politely refused.
Quote:It says to avoid all evil, no matter how it appears – NOT to avoid anything that isn’t evil but might look like evil to some people. Those two things are radically different, and the second one is stupid and against the spirit of the Gospel.
+1000
It is funny how often this small fragment of a verse gets trotted out.
Quote:she’s misled by a man, Lucifer.
I never felt like she was misled, but that she figured out what had to be done to progress further, and did it.
Quote:However, when you look at that concept a little more closely, “as a church” we believe the ordinance will be performed for everyone eventually – so it really is a moot point.
Does anyone know when this teaching began. Specifically, when did the church start trying to do the temple work for everyone who ever lived on the earth? It would seem to me that it needs to be pretty recent, at least after the 1979 revelation on the priesthood.
It has always been my thought that this teaching was to resolve the problem of explaining why the one true church had such a small percentage of members.
Quote:it just makes sense to me that the temple recommend questions are really asking if we have a testimony of the “LDS version” (defined simply) of the Godhead, Restoration, etc.
If that is what makes sense to you, that works for you, you go forward with that. However, it is not a shared opinion, and the church discourages the questions being changed or interpreted by the interviewer, leaving the interpretation up to the individual.
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i have heard of one instance of one LDS congregation rebuilding a church for a congregation of another denomination after a natural disasterAfter a natural disaster here for 4 weeks our SM consisted of taking the sacrament, getting our work assignments, then going out and cleaning up. I could do that for church every week. I have talked to many other people who feel the same way.
Quote:It does make one wonder… if they could shorten the sleeves from wrist length to present, and divide the garment into two – why can’t they make women’s tops of a camisole style? …and appropriately redesign giving more options all the way around?
How great would that be?
If not, at the very least, could they take the awful lace off of them? Or at least change the lace pattern, IDK once every 5 years or so?
Quote:1) LDS dress code and Word of Wisdom standards apply to church members who choose to be faithful by those definitions.
2) LDS dress code and WoW are not eternal principles, but rather, current policies requiring obedience.
3) Non-LDS (and some LDS) expect and enjoy coffee shops, wine with dinner, and clothes suitable to season. nothing wrong with these.
4) Obedience to LDS policy is a personal decision based upon a person’s own agency and choices.
Well put, especially #2. If more people understood that, we wouldn’t have to listen to so many people saying Jesus drank grape juice.
Quote:These individuals have undoubtedly done much more historical research than me and have weighed the arguments and have found that the Church is likely to be what it claims to be. How can I say that they are wrong?
I wonder if you talked to them candidly and in depth about their beliefs if you would find that they are more different from the mainstream church dogma than might first expect.
